That was bloody quick! Ummm. So I know the experiment you're referring to. It typically shows that unconscious pattern recognition is responsible for ...
Sure, if I want to know how to make a pie I should consult a recipe. Even in questions of executing moral decisions, I still need to decide how I shou...
Flight/fight behaviours aren't exactly a grey area; they're well studied. Humans and chimpanzees are particularly wired for it. The comparative slowne...
And yet science is tackling it, obliging you, not I, to separate consciousness into physical and non-physical based on how much science discovers. As ...
Typically chaotic systems are defined to be deterministic but nonlinear, nonlinear meaning that a small change in the input can yield a huge change in...
With utmost redundancy, that's the point. As for how you can deduce it from first principles without reference to urgh-sticky-irrational biology, you ...
Oh okay, well maybe not. To the extent that I can't really differentiate, in my ignorance, between human physiology and sheep physiology, and to the e...
Yes, and there is evidence for similar biological inheritance of social strata for the sizes of groups you seem to mean which were presumably also sel...
Allow me to clear up two ambiguities at once, then, "With utmost redundancy, we deduce that moral good is identical to that good for the survival of t...
It's lazy, and also arrogant. "Oh look, there's a me! Well, that's all there is to learn about that..." Are you talking about First Philosophy? All of...
I take no issue with the cogito. I do take issue with the conclusion that, since it is the first thing I can be sure of, consciousness is the most ess...
As I said, I am not ignoring it: I am rejecting it completely. No, nor should I. You're looking for another, more fundamentally moral "good" so that w...
As science learns more and more about what consciousness is by learning more and more about how it functions, how it is comprised, and where it comes ...
Right, but if the same scenario were played out a second time, what might change the outcome such that we can point to it and call it free will? Why w...
I think you may have a different definition of ulrasocial going on. I meant it in the typical neuroscientific sense of ultracooperative social groups,...
Thanks a lot! You were the first member I followed on here, so it means a lot. Cannot "support" might be better phrasing. It is outside the capability...
Cheers Isaac! Yeah, kick it in its vulnerable parts, that's the right way. Overall, yes, I agree, and did not mean to suggest otherwise. It seems quit...
Re-reading my response to you I noticed two things. First, shit that sounded terse! Sorry, I was distracted and should have responded when I could giv...
:100: Or antisocial organisations themselves. A cigarette manufacturer, for instance, robs you blind, slowly kills you, and lies to you about it the w...
I'm not sure I'd even go that far. Nature, in a way, has declared them "good" in the good-for-the-society-therefore-good-for-you sense. Natural select...
@"SophistiCat" In terms of discerning my and Pfhorrest's views, which seem to have comparable outputs, I'll contrast and compare Pfhorrest's breakdown...
On the contrary, we are built for it. Obviously we cannot have reciprocity -- an outcome -- in our DNA, but we evolved to each be altruistic in an env...
Sometimes, sure. My feeling is that people who hang around train tracks in groups get what's coming to them :naughty: Moral conundrums like this are u...
Thanks :cool: I'm not sure if you're taking from this that nature has somehow given us some knowledge of the rule. But what I hope is evident is that ...
I totally agree. I think if the OP proves anything, it's that bypassing it leads to a weaker, less coherent description of the moral problem. But powe...
As I said myself, there are aspects from which one can derive something kinda like some well-known moral laws (I give the example of the golden rule)....
I'm not sure that follows, or that it matters much. If on my 18th birthday I am an adult, and that adult grew out of a child, does it follow a child i...
This rather treats indirect evidence the same as no evidence, which is just a pathway to solipsism. If we're going down that route, I deny that you an...
What does this mean? If you mean emergence is not observed, and observation is the keystone, the fact that nothing consistent with consciousness has e...
In fact, I'll go a step further as there is a simplifying and unifying point here. Antisocial behaviour places you outside of the social group. That c...
Of course it can, if the moment it had value it ceases to be metaphysics. You can certainly trace origins of valuable ideas back to valueless metaphys...
Incorrect. It is merely an error. Rationality has nothing to do with it: that is metaphysics again. There can be no society of majority antisocial beh...
Lots, natch! After a couple of false starts, we have found an area for disagreement finally! I haven't forgotten you, but as per my previous post, I'd...
This equates "causing awareness" with "having awareness", which is not valid. That is a choice, not a condition. Everyone is free to understand the ma...
I answered the first question. Which question is the poll for? The quote extends the irreducible complexity argument. One could take it as meaning tha...
The question is how can insisting on a priori understanding of one thing be considered invalid and another thing valid. What is the distinction betwee...
Then how are they mediators of the subjective-objective divide if they depend only on the objective, i.e. are independent of the existence of subjecti...
Yes, I agree. Concepts such as reference frames help us understand the (seeming) external world. But what does the concept of Winnie the Pooh mediate?...
Yeah I've read it. Del Santo's definition pertains to a finite number of decimal points, however large. 0.999... has an infinite number of decimal poi...
Oh yeah. I will go there! Can you justify the distinction between a fallacious a priori position on consciousness and a valid a priori position on mor...
Different strokes for different folks, of course. I dare say that anyone who fails to see the profundity of natural selection probably has a qualitati...
By denying that knowledge can justify morality. I think the extent to which a moral claim can be justified at all, it can be justified by knowledge. T...
True, but the whole point of Laplace's demon is that it knows what we cannot necessarily know. Our uncertainty doesn't imply its uncertainty. Ours is ...
Yeah that's fine, and it's interesting from Sec. III onwards. I have no issue with it. I'll be mulling it over for a while, so thanks for bringing it ...
I think this illuminates the misunderstanding. I am not of the opinion that science cannot explain consciousness: the exact opposite. The idea that sc...
Isn't that covered by 'if'? Laplacian determinism also tells you that if you cannot know the initial state to infinite precision, you aren't guarantee...
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