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If we're guessing, I'd say your initial desire to have a cat had little to do with altruism, and that the care you have for it now has much to do with...
October 19, 2020 at 20:42
Btw you'll generally find Catholics accept that evolution is real, since the Pope John Paul George Ringo II accepted the theory in the 90s. So your de...
October 19, 2020 at 20:22
I'm scared to answer because it seems like you're joking but my faith in humanity has been truly shaken. In case you're being serious, natural selecti...
October 19, 2020 at 20:14
People have been insisting on what science should and should not study for as long as science has been going. It doesn't stick. They're not bothered. ...
October 19, 2020 at 17:06
:rofl: That's excellent!
October 19, 2020 at 16:56
That's what the paper is about. Are you sure you read the right one? Ah, this is a matter of faith for you then. Not so much "science has not" but "sc...
October 19, 2020 at 16:37
Yeah, apologies to Gould's parents, it doesn't sound like they're to blame.
October 19, 2020 at 16:34
Idrc. Not an orthodox family, mea culpa.
October 19, 2020 at 16:19
About as accurate and fair-minded as one could expect. Likewise it's not Gould's fault that he was brainwashed as a child to the point where he's inca...
October 19, 2020 at 16:04
Jesus, say Dawkins is a social Darwinist Nazi when he's consistently said he's not and you're golden. Say Gould is a creationist when he's not sure an...
October 19, 2020 at 15:47
Gould is an advocate of the idea of non-overlapping magisteria, that science and religion can live happily because only religion can explore values, t...
October 19, 2020 at 15:42
I'm sensing you're in that subset. No offense...
October 19, 2020 at 15:33
Gazzola, V., Aziz-Zadeh, L., & Keysers, C. (2006). Empathy and the somatotopic auditory mirror system in humans
October 19, 2020 at 15:32
Okay, a lapsed creationist, now agnostic. Point still stands. There's a subset of people who need humans to be a bit magic: dualists, religious folks,...
October 19, 2020 at 15:27
That makes sense to me. Midgley's objections seem to be of the magical human variety, wherein anything less than human that influences human behaviour...
October 19, 2020 at 15:19
I really don't think any improvement in my reading comprehension is going to show that she dispenses with the straw man early on when she clearly does...
October 19, 2020 at 15:04
We are made of "selfish" things: genes behaving as if they had self-interest. But we shouldn't therefore be social Darwinists.
October 19, 2020 at 13:03
He has, to his immense credit. It isn't a small discussion: it starts on the first page and ends on the last. She ends the article with the same straw...
October 19, 2020 at 12:16
I thank you for your input. I disagree with your analysis and do not see it as consistent with QM. As I said on page 1, whatever alternative theory yo...
October 19, 2020 at 11:25
That's fine, I read it a long time ago and don't pretend to have perfect recall of it. Not to Midgley's criticism as I see it. The claim that Dawkins ...
October 19, 2020 at 10:48
Then there is no basis for communication. He's saying that altruism and selfishness are not emotional states at any scale. If you're reading into that...
October 19, 2020 at 10:33
Although, seriously, don't. Start a thread, by all means.
October 19, 2020 at 10:30
Ha ha haaaaaa
October 19, 2020 at 10:28
It doesn't require explaining, just read the quote carefully. Such as? Again, Midgley is arguing he doesn't mean it metaphorically at all, quite disho...
October 19, 2020 at 10:27
One can argue based on the evidence of this thread alone that Dawkins pitched his book at maybe too high a level for a popular science book. Fair enou...
October 19, 2020 at 10:00
Yes, a reminder that those with knowledge have the privilege of calm, clarity and facts, while those without require aggression, obfuscation and ficti...
October 19, 2020 at 09:48
He's not talking about genes in that quote, he's talking about behaviours and it's standard terminology whether you like it or not. Again, there seems...
October 19, 2020 at 09:46
Precisely, therefore you cannot have an altruistic gene full stop. You can have a gene for altruism , which is not a metaphor.
October 19, 2020 at 07:46
You understand he's talking about people here, not genes. The point that you couldn't possibly have an "altruistic" gene is one I made quite a while a...
October 19, 2020 at 07:24
He immediately defines both words. It seems knowingly misrepresenting people is a genetic trait in genetic theory disavowers.
October 19, 2020 at 07:06
But nonetheless can be counted upon to show up anyway.
October 18, 2020 at 20:26
No worries Cat. I look forward to your challenging responses.
October 18, 2020 at 20:24
That touches on another problem with Midgley, which is that she dismisses the genetic theory of evolution on the basis that genes aren't propagated, o...
October 18, 2020 at 20:09
I agree, with the correction that that is but one challenge for physicalism, not the entire physicalism project. Redefining 'mind' to be any response ...
October 18, 2020 at 20:03
You understand the whole thread is visible, right? :rofl:
October 18, 2020 at 19:43
Then don't use it. Most of us are comfortable with it.
October 18, 2020 at 19:08
That is correct. And the world is not really a stage.
October 18, 2020 at 19:05
:up: Yes, we appear to be a long way from where we started. Which is good. The reigning theory of reciprocal altruism at the time was group selection,...
October 18, 2020 at 18:53
True dat.
October 18, 2020 at 18:44
What do you mean, if? Abraham? Moses?
October 18, 2020 at 18:42
If there are no such things as metaphors
October 18, 2020 at 18:29
Yeah, it's not good. The Selfish Gene is a book about reciprocal altruism, and yet Midgley believes that 'not all altruism is reciprocal' is a genuine...
October 18, 2020 at 18:22
Literally speaking? No, of course not. They are dumb chemicals.
October 18, 2020 at 18:15
To act in its own self-interest.
October 18, 2020 at 17:48
Competition in nature is not a metaphor full stop. I can kill someone with a hammer. That is not the danger of hammers but of killers. Hammers are sti...
October 18, 2020 at 17:16
I need to see this. Gene Hackman, Max Von Sydow and Ian Holm... Three of my favourites!
October 18, 2020 at 15:58
Can you just scroll up? Saves having to repost the same thing many times. Cheers!
October 18, 2020 at 15:57
:rofl: Basically we're describing The Royal Tenenbaums.
October 18, 2020 at 15:25
Sound argument, I have no rebuttal.
October 18, 2020 at 15:22