Kenosha Kid

I hope it does, you might yet see my point. Having an arbitrary belief of a particular teleological meaning isn't good enough. I'm not saying abandon ...

Your not, that's my point. It oughtn't be profound that what's at stake in terms of meaning is only considerable if you already are biased about what ...

Yeah, like Pascal's wager... Believe in this arbitrary and utterly daft collection of iron age fictions because, according to those fictions, we're sc...

Good. I'll think of y'all getting your anal probes while I sit safe in my tin hat. Speaking of things that smell bad... Only if you say "Mish me, Mone...

For the third time (and I don't think the last), your claim of:

I don't really care about the Trump part, hence I was pointing out the error in your argument against the power of speech, on which: So now could you ...

No, I'm confident about that one.

:( Sorry bro :(

To spell it out even more clearly, your argument against consequences for Trump inciting a riot against the Capitol is that the power of speech is ove...

I understand, and figured this is what you meant. 'Meaning' in the sense you... uh... meant is not 'meaning' but a specific meaning or kind of meaning...

That enumerating instances where people thought that speech was rousing is not an argument that speeches aren't rousing.

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I was raised by wolves

Declining the invitation, huh? I'm noticing, and this is probably old news to most, that bullshitters are distinguishable from wrong-headed people in ...

As am I. To be clear, I'm an atheist with a strong dislike for religion. But claims like 'most wars in human history have been religious wars' need to...

Aye, which is clearly wrong, since most of the things I'm looking at right now as I wait for this bus weren't biologically selected for (just the tree...

So "illusion" was the wrong word, then. A refinement might go something like: This seems to be approaching tautology now, but at least it's trivially ...

Good point. So... I'm an atheist (and a physicalist), but even with my protest to I'm not claiming to have meaning or believe that anyone else does be...

Which? This: ? Agreed, but there's nothing wrong with starting simple and refining it as we go (this is how science proceeds, for instance, a huge imp...

Okay then. X is not given to us by a creator. We are not born with X. Does it follow that X is, at best, an illusion?

Why? Nothing imbued me with a shirt. I'm still wearing one; it's not an illusion.

Ah so you clearly do want to talk about it, you just can't handle people pointing out where you're wrong. Figure out what it is you want and act accor...

That's not an argument. You're just citing other people who believed in the power of speech. Instead maybe focus on how no one has ever been roused by...

You're on an internet forum, get over it. If a little subdiscussion starts over what you think is one trivial and uninteresting detail, you don't have...

"Real magic isn't real. Only fake magic is real." (Dennett) When we say "Is Santa Claus real?" we're implicitly ruling out the Santa Claus that is rea...

Oh sure, if you define religious war to include all wars not about religion, then trivially all wars are religious wars. Perfectly logical. Exactly ri...

America certainly does have a significant black population. It should be proud of-- woah, nearly got me! Just been watching this on the news. You can ...

You're on the internet dude, I don't have to do your research for you. It's not exactly obscure.

I'm with T-dog on this one. There are religious wars but, more often, religion is the excuse and rallying point, not the cause. EDIT: I seem to be lar...

I don't really get how you arrive at the second sentence from the first. Let me put it this way: What is the basis you cite for the claim that time is...

We can agree we don't want to suffer involuntarily, but since the suffering we wish to avoid is subject-dependent, it's merely a category of subject-d...

Feeling like I just upset you, not intended dude :( I'd not argue against the harm Christianity has done in various guises, including the anti-Judaism...

Oh no. We better stop sciencing.

I think that's a stretch. There was plenty of anti-Judaic sentiment in the Roman Empire already, and that seems triffling in comparison. Nor is anti-J...

Time to bust out my Space 1999 erotic fanfiction.

A sociopath can completely agree with the description, agree even that to that extent they are faulty, and still choose to live antisocially (i.e. to ...

Not at all. Counterfactual final states contribute nothing to the amplitude at the factual final state. The amplitude at a given final state is the su...

Since before then til present day, they've worshipped a Semite as a deity, likewise his mother, and honoured the Semitic posse that founded that relig...

Probably easier for an ordinary person than anyone vested with divine authority, judging by the behaviour of priests. But anyway the question is about...

Oh definitely, see: "however un-Christian". I don't like the Church of today either, however "liberal" its worst members think it's becoming. The fair...

It was the Church who collated and edited it, and who spread... whatever bits of it they wanted known, however modified. Very successfully. The domina...

Precisely: it's contingent. That's fine,I was also being pedantic :) What about other acts of harm that involve speech? Lying, slander, etc. There's a...

Or the West's.

It doesn't follow that the OT encoded the dominant ethic that Christianity overturned. This just makes absolutely no sense. an. Indefinite article. I ...

Well that's fine. Suppression is censorship when it serves the common good. But I'd also dispute the "of the common good" since that could cast mere c...

Aesthetics is another area of interest, both the aesthetics of the book, and that which it has inspired.

Why would an OT ethic be the thing it replaced? By having more correlates in modern ethics than others. You know it's almost 2000 years old, right?

Physicalism is about the observable universe. This includes the states of massive and non-massive bodies, but also about the changes of those states. ...

The most important overlap as I see it is in ethics. To an extent, the New Testament is a foundational moral theory, completely revolutionary, that ha...

True, we can't know now what we'll only discover in future. On the other hand, there are effectively infinite unseen outcomes of anything. By your own...