thanks for your ideas and questionings. I probably am not good enough at explaining it, so I'm hoping others in the forum who are better than me can c...
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I don't think it is a matter of "dumb it down" b/c I've come to realize that we have very different goals. So, there...
exactly. Far from being a reason of no free will as you think, metacognition and qualia is the pinnacle achievement of sentience in providing sentient...
they did not simply get better and better or more complex. Far more than that, in fact. They created ever more hierarchical, objectified, and disassoc...
Correct! If you live a life without learning how to build realistic expectations then dead ends and waste of time, effort and resources will be all yo...
There is no guarantee. Hence why it takes so much time to gain the wisdom to know the difference between a waste of time/energy And practical/Useful t...
Because the agent must invest its energy and time into acquiring and transforming The information and knowledge in its own terms and in its personal L...
I do not agree with those dictionary definitions. It, as with the interpretations you proffer, do not account for the logical Distinctions and Transfo...
In my DIKW definition framework, I expect generating the Platonic Forms are more about knowledge than information, as they are generic (ideal) knowled...
I did not insult you. I think you have a 'thin skin' here. I just said that your "generic is meaningless" criticisms was an off-topic, not a useful, c...
I disagree with your way of thinking; however, that is not a meaningful discussion (or rabbit hole) that interests me to debate as it is off topic her...
in my above DIKW framework it is generally derivative, yet some data (e.g., sensory data) in my definition structure might be fundamentally 'informati...
seems like an unreasonable position to take. For example, your line of thinking would say that there is no meaningful generic definition of 'food', in...
How is my DIKW framework, as defined, "meaningless" when it specifies exact structures, metes and bounds, inputs and outputs, and functions that a phe...
no. my definition of 'living' is not based on, thus does not assume, an Organism is present, as that would be a circular (dictionary like) definition....
this is an example of what I mean, as being way too vague and not even Philosophically well defined, to be helpful a more exact definition: So, to rei...
A Philosophical framework & definition of "Information" would be fine, but I read your comments in that thread and could not find any clearly stated d...
one measure of potential utility (a kind of practicality) would be if the information/knowledge is expected to be useful in creating, or bridging to, ...
optimization is typically done to do the classic "smaller, faster, better, cheaper" , or less errors, more efficient/effective, less harm to others, m...
While top level, conceptual, definitions have to be broad to cover all means of implementation of the key distinguishing principles, I do give functio...
It seems a better definition. At least mine doesn’t make room for free will./quote] not sure what you mean. why are you apparently arguing that free w...
no. not "cause nature to veer off it’s normal course", which may happen under acts of free will to modify the environment as a way to locally violate ...
towards answering your question above, please review my proposed "Scientific Definition of Living vs inanimate matter" here: https://thephilosophyforu...
that was a great discussion you had w/ @"Wayfarer". thanks for pointing me to it. I will respond with a more philosophical version to align with your ...
to clarify my prior point on the 'free will' thread, I should also point out that call conscious decisions must be based on data and information, whic...
not really. what you are talking about is in pure quantum states which have no action on the real world. As Feynman discovered in his QED theory, all ...
I don't see how that definition works b/c any conscious decision will always be based on interactions with the unconscious that is creating the contex...
I think I've supported the "fundamentally unpredictable" conclusion above. That said, you do get more predictability when the living being acts on 'Pr...
a "random number generator" does affect the impossibility of motion prediction, IMHO, b/c, while it would increase the range of uncertainty about wher...
excellent point, and where I was hoping discussions would start with, instead of the big PLA distraction. I just added this to my OP (re living) to he...
Nice reference, however, that approach only works with a Lagrangian b/c it is a pure function of time and the dynamics of their learning processes are...
I disagree with you on that. PLA simply does not always apply. So, it is wrong as a universal principle as it can never apply to predicting or modelin...
PLA simply does not always apply. So, it is wrong as a universal principle as it can never apply to predicting or modeling "intelligent control" situa...
I disagree with that in general terms. That is, an example of "intelligence" includes the molecular program of the virus, which is otherwise inanimate...
b/c how it behavior depends on the context of its environment, and then its matter configuration and behavior continually and purposefully changes all...
so, why don't you be constructive, and propose language fixes that keep the spirit of my approach in tact? otherwise, you are not helpful, and just rh...
who said thinking is required to make an 'action'??? clearly, you do not understand what an 'action' means. I warned you against this fallacious think...
Clearly you did not read my comments on the cited page re virus. Or, you are unable to understand that they are simply highly contextual, molecular st...
bad example. 2nd law covers that by saying the entropy had to shift to outside of the lowered entropy system. my virus example is not shifting PLA any...
if you think something always applies to everything possible (as said for PLA) then that expectation is violated and the scope of (PLA) applicability ...
nope. see my above. physics does not apply to contextual algorithms under self control that have the ability to gain and not spend PE when PLA would a...
no. only changes where the matter inefficiently spends addition KE and employs intelligence to reconfigure its own matter and redirect its own KE agai...
so see above. You can never know, not even statistically, where a virus particle will end up even if you know all the forces and fields acting on it, ...
dead particles have no choice but to flow with the forces and energy that completely dictate their motion under PLA. please explain exactly why a viru...
sure, but does not apply to my example as I mentioned above. Clearly, the goal of changing the missile's trajectory from natural ballistic to instead ...
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