no. that only works if all the forces on object are a constant field throughout the path, such that a Lagrangian equation can be formed. no dice! viol...
no. when the ballistic motion turned into motion that defied gravity it required excess PE and free will control of exactly how and where to and when ...
sorry to break it to you, but that is what all definitions do. Maybe you are not aware, but the human mind is completely structured to define and cate...
thanks for your vague attempts to be helpful and constructive here. As I pointed out to philosopher004 above, see my factual arguments made in comment...
you make some very interesting points! thanks. no doubt, physics forces everything to make actions on a global basis, yet not at every moment in time ...
these are top level, minimal definitions based on very simple observables. So, no essay needed. PLA was the only concept most will not know, so the Wi...
both generally, but mostly defining initially. the goal of all these formative scientific definitions is to apply in any context and only be based upo...
according to my definitions, an object can deviate from PLA if it has at least "primitive free will" and excess PE to spend, at very high cost, to avo...
I completely disagree with that type of thinking and conclusions. When any matter violates the PLA at any given point then you know it has a type of f...
the goal of all these formative scientific definitions is to apply in any context and only be based upon external observables irrespective of the mean...
excellent and keen comment! Thanks! However, it, unfortunately does not apply at all to any actions performed by a sentient being, so not useful for S...
Curious, and hypocritical, that to support your arguments you use definitions which are circular, so very flawed, because one would need to know alrea...
I think you make many great points on this thread, which I tend to mostly agree with in spirit, if not exact details. If not formally, how does semiot...
read the Wiki on PLA. all inanimate mater takes actions that are dictated by the principle of least action. So, in that realm, actions are defined by ...
also, as I mention above, everyone here should make sure that any analysis/critique considers the fact that inanimate objects make 'actions' too. So, ...
excellent. now, you are the first here to be going in a constructive, potentially fruitful, direction... I'm all ears... esp. on any problematic count...
no. these are called best working definitions, which have verifiable consequences when combined with broader theories and observations. yes, and that ...
Correct. I am not limiting to human "action" as you seem to be, which, BTW, in many instances, may not require thinking either. inanimate objects make...
I am not (yet) proposing a theory here. Often, before theories can be created, we must first come up with broad definitions which set the metes and bo...
I would tend to disagree with that. I'd say that there is no "cause" unless you observed and effect, so you cannot separate the two, they come as a pa...
my definition does not require any thinking, so your comment does not seem to be an on-topic, valid critique. please quote specific parts and why you ...
that is a false general definition of life. It is purely anthropomorphic. See my factual arguments made in comments in my last post for more exactly w...
those are very defined in physics. yet, you might be right re simplification. I can always simplify later. BTW, I added 'free energy' b/c pure quantum...
Hi. I'm not interested in a philosophical debate on your idea that no definition can ever be made before you "know in advance what the correct definit...
BTW, Wiki defines PE the way I learned and understand it, which does not include your reinterpretation. In a spring, you have no KE, all the PE forces...
Meritocracy! I'm almost 100% results oriented kind of person. I play to win (true results). So, I do my best to check any ideologies I may have at the...
can you think of the best example of a living organism which stores/uses internal PE in the way you are saying re controlled pressure gradients using ...
thanks for explaining! I find that I understand and agree with all your points. That said, I'm going to stick w/ my CYA (hedging) approach and just cl...
isn't that another way of saying that the mass of the system stayed the same, thus no PE change but there was an entropy change, so PE not always tied...
sure, but that completely does not address what I said about: "There is nothing about 2nd law entropy that implies that the net energy (e.g., the macr...
I should also point out another argument I have against calling work potential of any statistical mechanics ensembles of particles as "potential energ...
I don't think so. There is no energy gradient towards the potential energy of matter. For example, where is the energy gradient towards the potential ...
yes, synonymous and covers energy which is carried by the matter. in many cases this is a plausible model that is contemplated; however, the hypothesi...
interesting idea; however, see my comments above re how my proposed definition says a virus is living matter. That said, in principle, as far as I und...
that is an ignorant comment. You clearly do not get any of it, because I'm saying exactly the opposite! You need to better read my OP and subsequent c...
given that you are in such great command of current state-of-the-art scholarship on the subject, as you claim to be aware of, then why don't you reply...
good instinct. This definition I'm posting here is a small part of a broader, all encompassing theory I am formulating. My, current, broader theory wo...
OK, but my definition goals are far more ambitious than yours! Note that mine covers all matter what-so-ever: "Scientific Definition of Living vs inan...
did you not notice that the title of the discussion is "Scientific Definition of Living vs inanimate matter" are you not aware that Scientific Definit...
You are being way too accepting and mentally comfortable with loose concepts on this subject. For example, Schneider does not point to or help with an...
I do like your general direction as well, however, your particular definition Suffers from including Crystal growth As a living being, because Crystal...
I read that Pattee white paper. Thanks for citing it. I do like his thinking and analysis with regard to the genetic coding versus phenotype and funct...
I read that Pattee white paper. First off, I tend not to agree with the framework or conclusions of Pattee. while it has some interesting concepts, I ...
no. the 'competition' (if you must) is for the most complete, accurate, and concise definition. So, if your proposed one does not hold up against all ...
understood. In other words, thanks for confirming that you do not have or know of a concise Scientific Definition of Living vs inanimate matter. So, m...
I'll review and consider your rebuttals tomorrow. However, given you believe science has this all worked out then you should state here your or their ...
You cannot compare QED with Darwinian evolution. QED actually makes my point where everything in nature must take the path of least action including A...
No it is not saying that. All that it is saying is that the second law requires all potential differences to be minimized and neutralized wherever Nat...
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