Alright, assuming that you are correct, it only shows that my example is not a good one, but this falls outside of my main point. My main point is sim...
So we still disagree because for you, the statements "mistaken about the real thing perceived" and "mistaken about the perception" are the same thing,...
If I understand correctly, we at least agree that space is part of the physical. And we previously agreed that my syllogism works for things as colour...
No. As you said, you first perceived it as a table. You were not "mistaken in your perception" because a table is what you perceived. Then you later p...
That is right. You are correct too. Indeed, it appears the argument is refuted if there exists a being which can create (or imagine) something out of ...
You can be mistaken about the real thing you are perceiving, but how can you be mistaken about a perception? To use the specific example, how can you ...
While I agree with the points you say previously, I disagree with this one. For if space, time and energy are subjective, then they do not exist in th...
If I perceive a table, then I perceive a table. If I perceive a desk, that I perceive a desk. Calling a desk a table does not change the perception (i...
Interesting. I never thought of the term "physical" being so general. If your definition of "physical" contains all of these concepts too, then what d...
So we agree that such things as colours, shapes, smells and sounds exist in the real world. That was the point of my original argument. It refutes the...
Interesting. I never heard of that theory before. I think I can still refute it, as so: If I perceive a physical thing and my brain is in a vat, then ...
It sounds like we will not agree on the definition of the term "physical". What if I simplify my original argument and use the term "colour"? It chang...
There seems to be a logical fallacy in that statement: How can our perception of a thing be always mentally generated, since you agreed in premise 1 t...
As I understand it, our disagreement lies around the definition of the term "physical". Let's take a step back. Instead of using the term "physical", ...
I still think there is a misunderstanding. While it is debatable that the table that I perceive is real or an illusion, the undeniable fact is that I ...
Yes. Concepts such as logic, morality, and justice are not perceived through the senses, and yet are undeniably real (at least logic for most people)....
I agree with this, but I think there is still a misunderstanding on the term "physical". Let me try to define it another way: A thing is physical if i...
But science claims that tables are made of matter. Surely I can appeal to the authority of science on this. At the very least, the scientific claims b...
I guess not always. But how about perceiving things directly through the senses (seeing, hearing, smelling, touching, ...)? Aren't things that are per...
As previously stated, I defined "physical" as: matter and energy. I would now add "anything that is perceived by the senses" for further clarity. Now ...
Well, I perceive a table in front of me. This table is a physical object, even if that object is only imaginary. I am not sure I understand this. Can ...
I think your concern misses the mark. If only a spiritual world exists, even if it is uncaused, then we could never perceive a physical world, due the...
My argument is not from cause to effect, but tracing the effect back to the cause. The effect of our perception of the physical world requires an adeq...
Does this mean that, to a spiritualist, a tree (even imaginary) is a spiritual thing, not a physical one? If so, then how does he differentiate betwee...
How can that be? Spiritual things such as angels, souls, logic and morality do not possess such things as colours and shapes and sounds and textures a...
We do not experience "physical", but "blue", which is a physical concept. As long as you have experienced "blue", you need to explain where this exper...
I agree with this. But these concepts (colours and shapes and sounds and textures and other sensory qualities) are physical concepts, not spiritual on...
I do believe in these things, but I see your general point. The concept of "angels" can be deconstructed into "living beings" and "spiritual", both of...
I would disagree. The blind can understand the theory behind the colour blue, that is, a certain frequency range of light wave, but he could not "see"...
No problem: Physical: matter and energy. Spiritual: all that exists which is not physical. EG: living beings such as angels and souls, but also non-li...
It took me a couple of tries but I think I finally understand what you wrote haha. Indeed, it sounds similar to my argument. To put it simply, an effe...
I may have used the wrong term. Nevertheless, I argue against the concept that I have defined, even if the term is the wrong one. Perception on its ow...
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