It's commendable that you admit this rather than pretend the opposite. I think our way of life (including economic way of life) often gets overlooked ...
This is important to dwell on I think. It helps me to take an example. Take energy. Is there a market for energy? Obviously. But there’s no reason we ...
One potential consequence is that our political governance changes along with corporate governance. Externalities and foreign trade would still exist,...
:up: That makes sense. It’s a matter of definition, but here my own answer would be “no.” I think if workers controlled production— if we essentially ...
Interesting. A necessary thread indeed. My only comment is that I’m surprised you didn’t include the existence of owners/employers as a distinguishing...
Which is why we should ban nuclear weapons. But even if a crazy dictator did get his hands on nukes— say the threat or possibility was real. Is it wor...
Question for everyone on this thread: If you could avoid countless deaths and possibly nuclear war by allowing Russia to take Ukraine, would you? The ...
Which is a natural consequence of capitalism left to its own devices. I'd like to think I'm realistic -- I realize that capitalism isn't going to be o...
"If we abolish the state, people can cooperate and trade on their own. Have some faith in human beings!" This picture is missing one important piece: ...
It’s the same thing for corporate taxes. They want to conveniently forget this part. Since the state is always evil, taxation is seen as theft. Yet th...
In case anyone is wondering what all this "laissez faire" talk is really cover for (or diversion from): The neoliberal era for you. Neoliberal policie...
Well if we accept the belief that the wealthy essentially bribe government officials, we can talk about who bears more of the responsibility: the weal...
I don't see how this response addresses anything I said above, which is the post you linked to. I'm 40. I thought you were in your 60s or 70s. Regardl...
In case I was too subtle: Arguing that the wealthy “purchase or influence” people in government is like arguing Sean Hannity says what he does because...
Not only that. Yes they exist with the aid of the state, and are protected— but the state also serves as the fall guy. A nice distraction. When you ca...
Excellent points, all. In a rational world, that so many people of such divergent views can recognize how silly an argument is would give the proponen...
It’s nice to have such an amorphous, abstract term like the “state” to blame as the root of all evil. Never mind the fact that the state consists of r...
Let’s abolish the oppressive state so that we can work jobs for monopolies that definitely don’t oppress anyone — because it’s all voluntary. Laissez ...
Lol. So you have no argument. Let's go over how this is relevant yet again. (Remember I'm not writing for you -- you're hopeless. Go back to sleep, it...
Ohh, I see. So it's just a description of your behavior and your feelings. Well I appreciate your personal experiences, but unfortunately that doesn't...
I don't fully agree. Why? Because in a state where you can vote in representatives/officials, that's your say. In a corporation, you don't even have a...
Maybe you really are just too dense to get the point being made, so I'll bite and state it explicitly: Corporations are run undemocratically. Unlike t...
:100: When a corporation expands their profit margins by charging 4X the cost of producing a loaf of bread, instead of 3X or 2X, etc., I never consent...
You did say it. #1. Your relationship with the state is also voluntary. You can leave. Isaac has now pointed that out repeatedly. The onerousness of l...
It’s a neat trick. Capitalists are absolutely in favor of big government. They hate only the aspects you mention. Yet they rally the angry NOSes of th...
One can be both ignorant and horrible simultaneously. Right. Plus laws are made by congress, who are elected by the public. You’re welcome to organize...
And I don’t think anyone can own electricity…or a building…or a corporation. So I guess it evens out. I give corporations no right to dictate how I co...
Keep fighting the good fight against social institutions and democracy while minimizing and defending the most egregious private injustices. “I can do...
It’s interesting that in the age of “Government is the problem,” of small government— getting the state out of the way through deregulation — not only...
Right. You have the choice. Don’t want to work for someone else for meager wages? You have the right to quit. Because life is that simple. These are t...
You really don’t deserve a “say” in the government, in that case. You can always leave the country if you don’t like paying taxes. You shouldn’t get a...
True. They're stilled governed, and governed by people. People who make decisions which many others have to live with. True, you could argue workers, ...
Corporations are not run democratically. Elections (which is how officials, who make up the “state”, obtain their positions) are democratic. Thus peop...
Synopsis of this odd thread: Abolish the state. Replace it with individuals freely cooperating in trade. Privatize everything. The only laws should be...
There’s no difference— the capitalist class, the “owners,” are the “wealthy” class that own the corporations. It’s fairly obvious — provided one wants...
:roll: I’m talking about multinational corporations — what is often called “big business.” Apologists love to be disingenuous about this— as if we’re ...
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