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Opposed to collectivism but voted for a collectivist. But it’s my imagination that you voted for a collectivist — even though you did. But Trump isn’t...

But this simply isn’t true. I may have failed to emphasize this, but while this transfer of profits to shareholders — which has increased these last 4...

So there’s multiple ways to do things, but we can’t say “ought” or “should”? Sorry, but I see a very clear moral component between democracy and total...

Reading comprehension is an acquired habit, I suppose.

I’ll help you: Keep trying.

Proof positive that you voted for a collectivist (“fascist,” according to you)? Indeed.

They were implemented. See Chile, if the others don’t convince you. Nor has it ever existed. Kansas is a good example. Spending had to come down becau...

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Surely. I'll assume your question isn't disingenuous. The era of neoliberalism, which we're still living in (as you know), was advocated for years pri...

:up: It’s not defense. It’s pointing out a clear difference. Joe Biden can go to prison for all I care. But to argue both scenarios are similar ignore...

Never figured Trump for a collectivist. The difference is that I didn’t vote for it and you did. Guess you do support collectivism after all. :up: Ps....

:rofl: That evil “collectivism” — the root of all problems. Now let’s all go vote for Donald Trump and other fascists. :up:

Says the Trump apologist. :rofl: Case in point of the results of all this “self interest” talk.

Truism, yes. Rand would say the same thing. And yet, look at the consequences. She was a staunch “laissez faire capitalist”. Turns out most people who...

Yes— the motto of Ayn Rand and other self-absorbed persons. Incidentally, I’ve never advocated for the state. In the long run I hope states are dissol...

It’s just dressed up Ayn Rand — i.e., an excuse to be a selfish asshole. That’s the “theory.” Just look at the results of this sociopathic ideology: v...

Is beef wellington really that difficult to cook?

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Well choose a better word then. If the blame cannot be placed on the board of directors of multinational corporations, because our governments structu...

Individualism demands that you be a selfish asshole who doesn’t give a damn about the world outside the self. See Britannica.

I haven’t advocated for either on this thread.

So you’re placing most of the responsibility on the state, yes?

Why? It’s like arguing there’s no answer to how we cut a pie. It depends on many things, and there’s not one ultimate answer that applies in all cases...

No— not the parts I quoted. Millions of businesses are not incorporated and don’t issue shares. I’m not sure where the confusion lies here but my stat...

“Collectivism demands that the individual subordinates himself to a group” So another thread based on delusional assumptions. Sweet. :up:

I think so too: Namely, the “class” of owners. The capitalists, really. Today that’s mostly owners of particular property, like stocks. But I could be...

In terms of large corporations, this seems to be the case. But then they vote basically to give the profits to…themselves! What a shocker. So roughly ...

Integrate what? This: Well yes, no kidding. Does this really need to be stated? The “100 people produce something” is a casual example to get the disc...

I’m not sure you’re understanding what I consider a problem. I’m not saying shareholders don’t want to make money. Shareholder primacy theory is indee...

I’m sure he’s right. There’s a lot of good scholarship on the era between roughly 1945-1975, when unions were stronger and distribution more equitable...

Not sure why it's strange. The question in this case is how that number is decided, and by whom. See above. CEO makes 20 times an average worker in 19...

You did, I just think they were too abstract and wonder if we could get into more detail about how that would potentially look in real life. I share t...

I don't recall Marx claiming that shareholders care solely about profit at the expense of everything else? Maybe we're speaking past each other. To be...

That's a fair point. My objection is a matter of emphasis. If we attribute Biden getting elected to the "electorate," that's true but it's far more ab...

Causes of global warming: many people using many resources. (1) Deforestation. Farming (palm oil, soy) Livestock (cows, pigs, chickens) Development (h...

That's not quite the topic. Regardless, to pursue it: workers aren't being paid a decent wage, in reality. And the reason they're not is partly determ...

And has nothing to do with how those individual decisions are made. So the "market", back in the 50s and 60s, determined that the average CEO deserved...

I agree, except for the 200 years part. More like 50 years. I attribute that assumption (regarding shareholders) mostly to Milton Friedman, incidental...

Kind of. Minus talk about markets, anyway -- which is usually used as an abstract cover for real people making real decisions, usually for unjustified...

There's the invoking of "markets" again. But do markets really decide what the CEO or the average worker makes or what prices are? No.

Says who?

You're exactly right, of course. This is the reality we live in. I'm asking about both how things should be run and how they actually run, so this is ...

So the people who put int he capital decide the market value, both theirs and their employees? Nice position to be in, yes? "My market value is 350 ti...

Sure. So how much should that be? There are real life examples, so we can speculate in specifics as well. You offered a rather abstract formula. In an...

How much of the profits does he get? That’s the question. There is an answer in real life, which is decided by real people. The answer to this also di...

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Couple scenarios. 1) Person takes an entire set of silverware, with many valuable pieces, from a home after dinner. Owner finds out, asks for them bac...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/climate/earth-hottest-years.html Hottest years on record, the last 8 were.

Yes indeed. Of course, there are higher rates in the 70s and yet they were still destroyed. So it’s also about how strong they are. Unbreakable solida...

The Sting is still a fun movie. Felt compelled to announce this.