Worth repeating: Let's say both men are equally terrible as people, man A and man B. One will destroy the planet (terrible man A), one will not (terri...
It's not a matter of respect. It's not about shaming, or bullying, or blind obligation. It's also not about character, since the candidates themselves...
Yes, Biden believes climate change is real, Trump says it's a hoax. I'd say that's a few degrees of difference. And it's reflected in policies. The en...
Ok, in that case I agree. I consider myself "progressive," and I don't feel I'm obligated or that I "owe" Biden anything. What I owe the country and t...
I know -- so let's discuss it. Then it at least becomes a matter of facts and evidence rather than character and speculations (or allegations -- which...
Not really. They are fairly marginal. But given that we're the most powerful country on earth, those "marginal" differences still matter a great deal....
I don't really think you believe this. But they are very much different. This is the point I'd like to hone in on, because if I saw no difference than...
Eh, let's not make it a cartoon version. Their intentions are well-meaning, in my view, but they're simply making a mistake. They don't see the full i...
Fine. And we who are opposed to Trump, recognizing that he is a sociopath and, more importantly, runs an administration that is destroying the prospec...
The person with the most votes (in the right states thanks to the electoral college) wins. It's not difficult. What's apparently difficult is understa...
Let's cut off our noses to spite our faces by throwing our votes away, thus essentially repeating 2016 and helping re-elect Trump, who will continue t...
True. But if I, your neighbor, votes for Trump and you've abstained, then Trump wins. No one is saying you're literally casting a vote for Trump, Bade...
Simple arithmetic, yes. A vote for third party is a throw-away vote. No one is arguing seriously that a third party candidate has a chance of winning....
Exactly right, but also something more important: will a Biden administration or Trump administration be more open to progressive goals? Take them bot...
Best bet is to ignore that one until he grows up or says something interesting. No sense pretending to have a rational conversation. The impulse to wa...
And succeeding -- again. You have to hand it to them -- they know how to play the game, so well in fact that they'll get millions of people to vote ag...
I don't think the answer is withdrawing, I think it's fighting. I think it's activism, organization, protests, lawsuits, etc. etc. Voting is only one ...
I think the better strategy is to elect them and demand actions from them, not to (perhaps inadvertently) assist their opposition, who happen to be ex...
It's in fact exactly the opposite, given the reshaping of the courts and climate policy -- both having a lasting impact on people for years to come. D...
It's not that you HAVE to. You don't HAVE to exercise and eat better, but if your goal is to lose weight that's something you should do. My top priori...
"Regardless of strategic considerations"? OK, in that case I agree. Like I've said before, I wanted Bernie Sanders as the nominee. In the end the vote...
OK -- and what framework is that exactly? We don't see eye-to-eye on Trump's administration, for example, accelerating the climate crisis with its pol...
Perhaps a better question: what do those voting for a third party candidate hope to accomplish by doing so? I ask this seriously. Is there some other ...
This is what I said: Was this "shaming"? Was it throwing around insults? It's pointing out what in my view is the obvious case: the more progressive p...
and , Maybe it's best if you two just talk to yourselves. This way you won't have to learn anything, resting assured everyone else is an idiot. What's...
Yes, I know -- which is why I gave a detailed response to you before on the issues, which you said you'd respond to and never did. Was that vote-shami...
So "idiotic" and "stupid" aren't ad homs? Have it your way. I'm not offended, but I found it interesting given what you've said in the past. When did ...
This is right, actually. But it's not about Trump or Biden as people -- one's a sociopath, the other is borderline senile. Both are fairly empty. But ...
Funny coming from the person who once stated: Voting third party, as I've stated before, is also a vote for Trump (again, unless you would have voted ...
It's also worth pointing out that we don't know for a certainty what happened, with Trump or Biden. I happen to believe the accusers of both -- but it...
It's not about "shame," it's about logic. You claim to care about rape, yet you believe not voting absolves you of any responsibility in what happens....
Simple arithmetic isn't so simple. My fault. You have two people. A votes, B abstains. If B had voted, it would cancel out vote A. By not voting, A vo...
And not voting is voting in Trump, also a rapist. The difference is one administration can be pressured to not destroy the environment completely, the...
That he's a creepy asshole. What's your point? Because you're missing mine. See above. If you're implying he's the anti-Christ because of this, I migh...
Yes I know. I began with "don't bother with people who..." and then went on about that. It wasn't directed at you, it was directed at your interlocuto...
This is equating the human being with thinking -- the ????? (logon) of ???? ????? ?????, which has a long history going back at least to Aristotle. Yo...
Already confusing. What "two states"? It sounds like the two states may be the conscious and unconscious states, but then where does the "because of t...
We have to do both, really. The emphasis is in fact shifting more towards preparation as it becomes more and more obvious. The links aren't always obv...
Sure. It's fairly easy to see what it will be, given there's nearly 4 years of well-documented policies already available. And the best way to predict...
No, it isn't that complicated. I don't think you and I really "disagree," either. You know as well as I do that both political parties in the United S...
More importantly, his environmental policies are systematically destroying the chances for organized human life in the future, at a time when scientis...
You see the immediate issue, yet still feel it's the two-party system that's the existential threat. Well that's a nice position to have, because that...
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