The United States is also a much wealthier nation. Most of the technology that developed did not come out of the private sector, but the public sector...
Many of those managers come from the workers, as I'm sure the Wikipedia article will tell you. But that's completely irrelevant. The workers run the c...
Yes: I don't think that's remotely true. Most of this is commonsensical and has nothing to do with labels -- socialist, communistic, anarchist, or any...
Mondragon Corporation would disagree with you. Sorry to hear you prefer dictatoriship to democracy within the workplace. False consciousness knows no ...
You speak as though these were pie-in-the-sky ideas. You're aware that they already exist, and that they're often successful? https://www.youtube.com/...
If workers choose bad managers, they can fire them. I don't see why you consider that "extremely hard." Yes, but this is just your unfamiliarity with ...
Sure, sure. All very true and interesting. I use them only to demonstrate what's possible. They have their advantages, flaws, and their own (perhaps v...
Quite right: they are messy. There are problems, there are setbacks, there are dead ends, mistakes, wrong turns, infighting, even corruption. Some ent...
Who does, then? If the workers are their board of directors, they can decide these things -- just as a board of directors in a capitalist corporation ...
Exactly right. I think both the accurate articulation of the problems of society (income inrequality especially, but also healthcare, education and st...
Lack of faith in what? There's nothing to decide. There was a simple question with a simple answer. The answer was: the board of directors. Your answe...
That's what a co-op is, in part. But most importantly is this: they're their own board of directors. They hire and fire CEOs and managers, set pay gra...
I'm aware of what Occupy Wall Street was. I was there. I never said it was communist, so I don't understand this comment. As for Zizek -- he's a compl...
I never once said anyone should or would produce something without a demand. That's not the point at all. The question was: who makes the decision abo...
It's not communist propaganda, and it's not a bid for co-ops. It's simply the factual structure of the corporation and the simple fact of where profit...
The question was: who decides what to produce, how to produce it, and what to do with the profits. That's not the business of "consumers," because tha...
Not so surprised by the lack of response, so I'll give them myself and see if others find them accurate. A corporation is a legal person. Because slav...
Right. It's extremely rare. But people don't want it in their back yard. I think that's the problem. Understandable, but ultimately mistaken -- when y...
I tend to be on your side in terms of nuclear. While I appreciate arguments against nuclear power, like the fact that they occasionally explode, like ...
I agree with everything you said except this. I don’t consider it “mine” — someone had to start a thread on climate change and it happened to be me. B...
It’s a disliking with your ideas, perhaps. No one knows each other here. We’re all using screen names after all. Depends on what you mean by liberal d...
They had you read Marx in university? I know you're not in the US, but I can guarantee you didn't go to an American university. Glad to hear. I did no...
No, I'm talking about 19th century socialist and Marxist thought, which advocated worker control. Not top-down state control, not socially beneficial ...
Yeah, that's what I just said about you. Good response, Donald Trump. To demonstrate how accurate my statement is: Right -- it's hilariously funny for...
I don’t think we have to look in the shadows, really. It’s right there in front of us. No sinister plot, no conspiracy. Not as exciting perhaps, but w...
The consumer does not decide these things within a corporation. To the above question, there is a clear answer — when dealing with fortune 500 compani...
As I said: those who know very little about the socialist tradition. Kind of like modern usage of “conservative”, or “libertarian.” If socialism is ce...
I want to add something a little less broad and abstract to fill this in: the present day. What's really happening in the world today? How does it fun...
I haven't made any claims about how "socialism" worked in either, because it's a ridiculous notion. Completely meaningless until we say what we mean b...
Simply repeating "market mechanism" ad nauseam means absolutely nothing. Lots of things replace the "market mechanism," as I've stated several times, ...
Yeah, I guess we can all believe what we want to believe. Personally I'd rather listen to the people who know what they're talking about. But that's m...
This is completely irrelevant. It's also anecdotal. So I'll repeat: government interferes all the time, on every level. There's no denying this. Wheth...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/climate/climate-change-report-ipcc-un.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage The big IPCC report— prett...
There are no bad students, only bad teachers. So the saying goes. People who believe weird things are all over the place. The efficient market hypothe...
So to perhaps finish up this thread, I’d like to defend the claim that the most powerful force is dogma. Whether the corporate sector or the state, th...
That's like saying the law doesn't interfere all the time and everywhere. That doesn't mean we're lawless. Likewise, if one can point to instances whe...
"Government controlled capitalism." That's state-capitalism, which is the only capitalism that exists. It's what exists in the United States as well. ...
The standard line of most people still stuck in capitalist propaganda. So it has to mean that. Why? Because socialism "never works." End of discussion...
So the fact that China's kicking our ass in growth means what exactly? That's not central planning? Or is that not socialism? We don't have "central p...
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