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Please don't avoid this easy answer.

Ok, I can understand and I can accept that something with no consciousness can create consciousness. But let's just assume for the sake of the argumen...

I have a better question. Spinoza had nothing against the idea of something totally unconscious, like a God lacking qualia, will, thoughts, etc. could...

That's actually interesting. So Spinoza starts from the idea that consciousness just exists and it appears (for some reason) in complex modes. For him...

Yes. I don't know the future, maybe I will. Thank you for your answers and concerns, but I will stop responding to personal stuff.

I did it many times. That's why I'm keep asking questions. D'ooh

Dude, that's your opinion. I know your opinion and that of some others who have clearly stated that if the hard problem is true, then Spinozism is fal...

I'm here to talk about philosophy, not about my personal desires, and even if I've already answered you about my motives, you're keep coming back and ...

He would say ''You are conscious because your body is complex"?

So if I were to ask Spinoza ''Why humans are conscious?'' he would say ''They just are", right?

Do those complex individual parts contain consciousness? In a nutshell: Guys, I think I understand 90% of what you're saying. A. The Willow Of Darknes...

I understand 99% of what you guys are saying here, but when I'm approaching the final confirmation, I receive a long response telling me I am asking t...

I'm trying and I will use my logic in the simplest way.

What is complexity?

Let me get this right. So mindless stuff interacting with mindless stuff won't produce mind stuff, and only mind interacting with mind produces more m...

This is what Spinoza agree or disagree with? If he agrees, it is correct to say that combinations of ideas represent conscious thoughts? I don't know ...

I would love to hear your answers on my last questions. Thank you!

Thank you. Yes, I'm trying to keep it simple, I have to admit I don't have enough patience and philosophical language to read Spinoza, so I'm asking s...

Thanks for the reply. When I say I don't understand something, I don't mean I don't understand it because that thing is stupid, but because I don't re...

So he's basically saying that God has thoughts because humans have thoughts and humans are part of God, right? Why does complexity give rise to consci...

I didn't want to mix Spinoza with the interaction problem. I just wanted to make a parallel. If I asked S. ''How come you have the attribute of mind i...

That was my intuition at the beginning. So he didn't have a different explanation for mind, he just assumed that this is how things were. It is like o...

I think it is pantheism, because it denies something ''extra''. But this pantheism can go with everything. You cand be an idealist, panpsychist or eve...

Spinoza states: The things we have shown so far are completely general and do not pertain more to man than to other Individuals, all of which, though ...

Give me more time to find it, please. Are you suggesting all those people were lying?

OK, so you're basically saying what I said in II. It is like the universe ''thinks'', but only through its modes - us. Hope I finally got it right. So...

https://philarchive.org/archive/MELTCO-14 https://btcphilosophy.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/spinozas-panpsychism-a-supportive-evaluation/ https://books.g...

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Thanks for the effort to explain, I really appreciate it. My problem is that English is not my native language, and complicated sentences can confuse ...

I read multiple sources, and most of them indicate Spinoza was a panpsychist. In this OP, many argued he wasn't. Therefore, what's the fundamental dif...

You can't think yet. Period. If reading the Bible made you the way you are now, then no, thanks!

But a materialist believes only in weak emergence, so you'd probably have to endorse the Identity Theory or Functionalism. It seems to me you like str...

You did, and some others did it as well. I admit that. I just wanted to know clear answer, like a YES or NO. And then you came back. Why?!?!? So now y...

Ok, you believe in magic. I agree with you, this thread has become ridiculous.

There's nothing so sophisticated about emergence that would make me change my mind if I found out about it. That's just silly. You are the one who doe...

There are 2 types of emergence: 1. weak emergence - everything can be explained in principle through its parts and there is no extra-property to that ...

Why can't you just accept that I start from the premise ''the hard problem'' is real? I am interested in what comes after. Or at least, if Spinoza had...

I wanted to ignore your comment and just say that I don't want to explain my position. And I don't have to, because I'm here to ask about Spinoza, not...

1. More of a personal one - when I was 18 and didn't care about absolutely anything except for having fun, I thought about God for around 5 minutes an...

Guys, look! My problem is the following: I am not intelligent enough to conceive more than 2 variants for this one: A. Either God is conscious and all...

For me, obviously yes. Why His and not "his"? Does it make any difference? I am not here to debate my beliefs. I am asking questions. No, I don't beli...

Is Spinoza's God conscious or not in your opinion?

OK, what about this: in your opinion, in spinozism, the consciousness is an attribute created by a conscious or a non-conscious God?

Let's put it this way: if mind, consciousness, experience, qualia, etc. cannot derive from matter, and cannot come into existence from unconscious pur...

To make things clear - in your own interpretation of S, assuming the hard problem/combination problem were true, would spinozism still work?

Thanks, man!

Ok, if God's conscious, we can definitely agree the hard problem dissapears. But if we take the other interpretation, where God has 0 will, 0 consciou...

Let me present it from a different angle. For the sake of the argument, let's assume the hard problem and/or the combination problem are both true. In...

Ok, that clarifies things. Thanks :smile:

1. Why call it mind? I see no reason. Why not ping-pong? 2. I don't really understand this ''are just some modes of matter and mind''. For me, it soun...