Marchesk

Right, and it is these concepts which cannot be reconciled with our scientific concepts.

Words can convey that we have those experiences. As a sighted person, when you say you saw something red, I can visualize or remember red. Oliver Sack...

I think the most coherent version of solipsism is just experiences with no self owning anything. Self is just another experience of the single stream,...

Problem is that consciousness isn’t limited to perception. Memory, dreams, imagination, feelings, thoughts and hallucinations all can have colors, sou...

I just don’t buy that language is the problem here. I have pain and color experiences, but those aren’t part of the scientific explanations of the wor...

That and professional philosophers write papers, publish books and give talks on consciousness. Consider these kinds of threads to be loose commentary...

Yes, as much as any philosophical problem is real. The debate has been rigorously laid out by Chalmers, Nagel, Dennett (in the negative), Block, etc. ...

It's only meant to say that Data is not a functional isomorph with humans. Data isn't perfectly simulating the functions of human brains, so we can't ...

Yes, I saw that and agree. I'm not satisfied with anyone's solution to the hard or harder problems. You end up biting one or more bullets no matter wh...

It is, because the dream participants are me. Or to be more accurate, the dream participants are experiences only, not other people. A solipsist engag...

Equal means identical in logic and math ...?

I wouldn't have gone that far, but you did say that 2 in 1972 on a blackboard would not be equal to 2 in 2019 on a whiteboard, because they are numeri...

The third law of logic is the principle of identity. If identity is incoherent at the level of rigor logic requires, then we can't say that X=X is tru...

Doesn't identity underpin logic? That's a pretty extreme position to take. Nominalism isn't worth jettisoning logic.

So the concept identical is incoherent? This is a reductio ad absurdum.

I'm not sure. I can see your argument against composite objects, but what about physics itself? There are universal laws and properties in physics. Ho...

So when we say that 2 is identical to 2, it doesn't matter if one two was written on a blackboard in 1972 and another on a whiteboard in 2019. Is that...

I kind of think there is. Because if we say a chair can be a composite object, then we're saying a lot of different kinds of material arrangements can...

So is it philosophically the case that composite objects don't exist, or only exist for one instance in time? Actually for that matter, is it the case...

Which means you're not allowed to conceive of an object over time, since it's always different.

So a specific shade of red cannot be the same shade over time? What about the mass of an electron? Is that property different over time, even though i...

I'm convinced that any sufficiently in depth discussion of realism or consciousness will turn into one on QM. It does make me wonder what Platonists d...

Why does it have to be the exact same time to be the same photons? Do the photons turn into other photons over time? But anyway, are you really so sur...

There might be a way to emit and capture the same photons in a very controlled setting, while bouncing them off two surfaces made to reflect the same ...

You're asking me whether the same photons bounce off different surfaces? Not under normal circumstances, but there might be a way to do this experimen...

The tomatoes are numerically distinct, the property is not.

Not if they reflect exactly the same wavelength of light.

I don't see how that works. How can nominalism have the same instances of color if everything is particular? Properties and functions present the same...

But that's begging the question. How do we know two numerically distinct things can't be identical in some manner that would contradict nominalism? No...

So all it would take to disprove nominalism is to find a numerically distinct thing that was identical for some property or function? Wouldn't any two...

What does that mean? That you're not a wannabe or that you don't conform to society when it conflicts with your personal views and feelings? Or that y...

So Data wouldn't present a problem to you, because he could tell you he was conscious, and back that up with convincing behavior?

So the point of all this disagreement is the hard(er) problem. If we learn about our consciousness the same way we do other people, then it might not ...

I'm wondering why all your mental experiences aren't just being conscious? Feelings included. Are we using different terms? By consciousness, do you m...

Which is not one I would make. Why wouldn't they be conscious? Part of the problem here is that experience can mean behavior as well as consciousness,...

You didn't think that dreams were experienced, only remembered. Well, I've had lucid dreams a few times. They are conscious experiences as much as per...

Color, sound and pain only exist as consciousness. Otherwise, they become labels for something biological or physical. The world is not colored in. It...

I would say we aren't experiencing anything when we're not conscious. We're p-zombies in that regard. Experience is consciousness.

I don't know, I just recall reading that she claims to think in pictures and translate those to language when communicating, and she suspects animals ...

I don't know that I can agree with that. How would they functionally be different for such a simple case? You're saying that there can never be an exa...

Probably not, but they might have an inner visual sequence or smell or sonar, which aids their thinking like inner dialog does ours. Yes, something ph...

That might work, but would you extend that to different computers performing addition?

You've never had a lucid dream?

Here is where we fundamentally disagree. Inner dialog is just one more form of conscious experience. And it's not necessary to experience color, sound...

To quote the great Homer Simpson: Life is one crushing disappointment after another, until you just wish Ned Flanders was dead.

Meh, I've realized I was dreaming before and recall even saying so "out loud" to a a dream person. That would be the position of the solipsist. So the...

There's a certain kind of humor that goes with having lived long enough as a typical human being. Maybe the Elon Musks and Roger Federers of the world...

I think he's saying that for most of us, we learn not to expect too much from life, but a 15 year old having amazing success might have different expe...

Me as well. Glad I saw this thread.

I love that statement! Maybe I'm just a lazy underachiever, but life's early disappointments certainly temper one's expectations a bit.