Marchesk

It would be, "I could not have done other than write this, but I still had a choice!"

Red things being red only to certain perceivers is the same thing as what the ancient skeptics were saying. Honey isn't sweet, it's only sweet to tast...

So there are no red things. I agree, it's a relational property of perceivers. Color isn't a property of objects. Therefore, when we perceive a red fi...

You can if you care about which properties are real (mind-independent), and which ones are created by the perceiver. Isn't that what science tries to ...

There seems to be a strong temptation on this forum to think that if only the terms can be used the proper way, the philosophical issue goes away. I t...

The problem of perception in general goes back to ancient philosophy, and it's not limited to the Greeks. They Cyreneacs used the skeptical arguments ...

I wish to be annoyed more. The reason for the "venerable folly" of indirect realism is because illusions and hallucinations raise the possibility that...

What would constitute indirect for a direct realist? Going back to the neural implant, let's say when you close your eyes the implant receives radio s...

It's complex and novel when saying it emerges form the physical. It's fundamental and obvious as someone who is conscious.

For a genuine p-zombie, it would seem that way.

That you have conscious experiences.

Only if the arguments for the hard problem are flawed. Which perhaps they are in some subtle way, or are relying on faulty intuition. I guess we'll kn...

No, but I think complex novel things emerging is considered spooky in a way that brute fundamental things are not. The presumption being that emergenc...

But you have an experience of seeing a tree in your dream. That experience is like the experience of perceiving a tree. If the first is a mental image...

Exactly this. So for example we say the sky is blue without taking into account what that actually entails, because it's pragmatic to say skies are bl...

Where do you suppose the dream is taking place? So perception is unlike all our other experiences? Some people think dreams are a form of hallucinatio...

The same way you see a tree in a dream. It's a mental image. The difference being the causal chain that produced the mental image.

So the categories of thought which organize the sense impressions into the empirical are mirroring the world outside the mind?

Sure, but it just becomes another brute fact of existence, along with the existence of QM, Relativity and fundamental properties and fields. Well the ...

There are plenty of arguments for the hard problem. Basically, no amount of objective explanation gets you to subjectivity. They're incompatible.

Right, but what sort of realist was Kant? He thought there was an external reality of some kind, but we can't say anything positive about it, thus ter...

Sure, however, I think that's what the direct realist is trying to say. The world basically looks the way it looks to us, once you account for lightin...

You certainly do philosophy like a p-zombie!

The question would be in what sense is correlationiism a "direct awareness"? It sounds like the correlation is generating an experience of a table tha...

It wouldn't be describable or measurable. It would only be inferred, like with other people's minds. The hard problem is one of subjectivity, which ca...

Would you say the same thing for pain or pleasure? Let's say you're driving down a familiar road and you go into autopilot as you day dream. Now, your...

To followup on creativesoul's comment, other animals can't state their beliefs in language. They might communicate them in a variety of other ways. Bu...

https://youtu.be/eSaEjLZIDqc?t=658 This video was posted in the, "Is Daniel Dennett a Zombie" thread. Right around the 10:30 minute mark he starts tal...

The indirect realists do as well and so do the idealists. It's only the skeptics who think our senses aren't telling us something about the world. The...

Around 11:26 Dennett starts talking about color (pigment). He says there's no role for a property like pigment other than the light hitting the retina...

Ah yes, we do need to know that. The direct realists emphasize that perception is different from other experiences. I'm not as convinced.

Well sure. There are a bunch of processes we're not aware of in conscious experience unless something goes wrong or we can't identify what we're exper...

No, the external object. I'm asking how a perceptual experience is direct awareness of the external world.

Actually not quite. You can't have one infinity divided by one zero. Or if you can, the mathematical universe goes all indeterminate on you.

The double slit and various related experiments do come close to suggesting the universe likes paradox. But probably we just don't understand what's g...

Even granting this over singling out the neural activity, the end result of the entire process is still an experience. The experience is not the thing...

'One infinity'.

The reason to think you do is because of all the other experiences which aren't perceptions, but sometimes can be mistaken for perception. A dream of ...

https://i.postimg.cc/4NRyhHJ0/diirect-realism-example.png Here is an illustration of direct realism from the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs...

Is it therefore more important to be seen as good, than to actually be good? It's interesting how our stated moral systems say the opposite.

I don't know. Is there a way we can construct that?

Why didn't influenza stick around? Did it kill too many people back in 1918/19?

That is a good approach. The crux of the matter turns on whether the experience of the other is what we're aware of, or whether that experience is the...

Let's say you had a neural implant which did two things: 1. It corrects refracted images so that the stick in water looked straight. 2. It occasionall...

I did. So you think the perception is the object? The neural activity produces the object? That can't be right. Direct realism must mean it produces a...

You see as a result of a process leading to neural activity in your brain. Call it what you like, but that result is not the object. How could it be?

I believe ancient Indian philosophy was also aware of the issues around perception. Indian idealism has long been a focus in that tradition.

Only because you're thinking in terms of how the apple will look and taste for you as a human being. Being tasty is something animals with taste buds ...

The argument is that if perception is indirect, skepticism is more of a worry, because we have to infer the nature of external objects on the assumpti...

I think that very much depends on the person. Some people have very detailed imaginations and some have very vivid dreams. I have rather poor visualiz...