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It’s private in the sense that only I know I’m having the experience, in virtue of having the experience, without telling others or they inferring it ...

Actually, you’re right. Dennett does deny all four properties in total.

That's a bit strong. I believe Dennett's argument is that the concept is incoherent because it cannot support all four properties given his intuition ...

That's odd, I thought the ones you called out, including myself, were doing that.

Could be, for some anyway. Depends on what level you're playing the political game at. But I do know some conservatives who deeply believe in him to t...

Are we supposed to just agree with Dennett, or are we supposed to limit our discussion to just this particular paper, and not the ongoing wider discus...

That's the thing that gets me. What made conservatives so convinced Trump is one of them? Most of all, what made religious conservatives think that? T...

I see you've never read about Leto II Atreides. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/GodEmperorofDune-LetoWorm.jpg/130px-GodEmperorofD...

Literally?

Yes, I know a few people like that. They don't think Trump is a liar. It's the other side. A key to understanding this is that at least for the religi...

You mean of those who actually voted. It's not like Australia where there's mandatory voting and very high turnout. Probably 1/3 of eligible voters or...

That’s a really good point. It’s not just arguing for a certain intuition.

You see what seems to be colors making up images. That it seems there are colored images is the what it’s like for humans to see. Dennett may be right...

That some seemings are readily apparent and others are pointed out just illustrates the dynamic nature of conscious awareness. The rabbit-duck can fli...

The seeming part.

Dennett states in Quining Qualia that he grants the existence of consciousness, but then in Illusionism as the Obvious Default Theory of Consciousness...

Yes he does. Because he wants to have his cake and eat it to. So he can't bite the bullet and just eliminate free will or consciousness outright, as h...

His argument is that all ideas of mind-independent objects smuggle in a perspective. You imagine a tree as if you were looking at the tree from some a...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Checker_shadow_illusion.svg That we see the squares for A and B as different shades of gray is a v...

it seems that I’m enjoying Klee’s work, but I remind myself that it’s just a bunch of mindless robots playing a trick on me.

A fact you can’t know without being told the dress seems to be red.

It only seems that way.

Probably so, but I don’t see how this makes the sensations extrinsic if it’s the brain circuitry that produces the sensations, not any other part of t...

Right, but the consciousness debate isn’t limited to perception, and the fact that other ways of stimulating the relevant brain circuits leads to cons...

The problem with this is that we can have color experiences independent of perception.m, such as in dreams or by directly stimulating the visual corte...

Certainly in the case of consciousness. There may be a few other exceptions. I was just stating the implication of Dennett's arguments.

Well, one can meditate and focus on a particular sensation or object for a time. Sure, it's dynamic. Perhaps some of the traditional intuitions of qua...

Even if Dennett does so for the ineffable, intrinsic, direct, private definition of qualia, it still leaves sensations to be explained. And not just f...

Because I just don't see how one gets color, sound, taste out of number, shape, extension. It's that simple. Dennett is wanting to say the world is ju...

There is a potential epistemic minefield in this approach. If we can't trust our sensations to be real, why trust that there is a material world at al...

There are our intuitions about our sensations, and then there are our sensations given to us in experience. I saw colored objects and tasted tea long ...

Maybe so, but matter and energy are physical concepts created to explain a wide range of phenomena. It's possible that these concepts are lacking when...

You still have Except that you're just substituting "continual updating of your model of a world of objects" for the world of sensory objects and feel...

That makes sense. Somehow conscious experience arises from discrimination. That might be a clue. If it's possible to break down all the discrimination...

So you outright deny that we have conscious experiences. How does that work for you? You tell yourself it's only seems like there is a taste of tea wh...

Because there is no consensus in any related field for an explanation of consciousness. Of course there is much ink spilled on the topic with many dif...

Oh okay. I misunderstood. I agree that illusionism fails in this regard. And Dennett is sometimes hard to pin down, but I think he has outright suppor...

Indeed, but yet we have an experience of tasting the tea. That's the hard problem.

Isn't this admitting to the hard problem, or at least Block's harder problem? If we had a science of consciousness, we would would be able to know wha...

How the brain creates experiences of colors, smells, feels, etc. So far, there are only correlations, but not an actual explanation. Such and such neu...

Orthodox Christians do believe God is spirit, so their worldview is still dualistic.

What is their nature? I don’t know, nor does anyone else, it would seem. What I do know is they are the result of certain animal nervous systems when ...

Are you blind from birth? What is the point of this sort of questioning?

Combinations of red, green, blue visual experiences. Are you a color realist?

Yes, and that gets my goat.

I don’t have conclusions in this debate. It remains a puzzle.

Thinking for a wee bit ... Although the original is identical to the materials which make up the painting (when arranged in that particular fashion), ...

I've thought through the consciousness debate more than any other philosophical subject, which includes reading and listening to debates.

The distinction falls out of whatever language you wish to use, because our perceptions of the world and mental processes differ from the world. But y...

That's not scientific. The red isn't the reflective surface, it's not the lighting, it's not the activated cones, it's not the electrical impulses goi...