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No, the content of his belief didn't include the concept 'the broken clock.' The content of his belief is captured by what he thought, not what was tr...

That depends on which conception of knowledge you're talking about. For JTB, you're justified if you use one of the prescribed methods (or sanctioned ...

He believes that it's 3 PM. And he came to believe that it's 3 PM by looking at a particular clock, a particular broken clock.

You're repeating my own position to me. I said he's not justified under my conception of knowledge. I said he is justified under JTB. If you think he ...

Yeah, just step away from it for a while. You'll see the difference later.

No. That's not right. He falsely believes that the clock is working. You must capture the content of his belief, which is 'the clock is working'. The ...

First of all, he doesn't believe that a broken clock is working. He believes falsely that the clock is working. Those two statements are different. Bu...

Yes, but why insist on the existence of this belief? If we take away this alleged belief in the clock's working, then we still explain the justificati...

Of course, we should be clear about the difference between (A) "He doesn't have a belief about the clock's working or not" and (B) "He believes the cl...

I think we are all rejecting that the man in the Russell scenario has actual knowledge. The only possible exception might be Sam, but it's hard to pin...

I think you are confused here. Recall that we're working with two different conceptions of knowledge in the Russell scenario. One conception is JTB. T...

Sounds right, provided he believes working clocks keep the correct time. Sounds right. In the Russell case, there is no thought paid to the working of...

That's not the only type of assumption. And in this scenario, the truth or justification is not in consideration. It's simply a stipulation. That's no...

Well, you're stating it far worse than it is. You're saying that you do not believe the clock is reliable, so that alone would discount that you have ...

I think the difference is about the attitude you take towards a proposition. I say this because Person A and Person B might take different attitudes, ...

Yes, that's what I want to say. I think we can assume that it's working. I don't think assumptions count as beliefs. After all, if you look at a clock...

Thank you. I find the Russell scenario illuminating, too. I am grateful to Bartricks for the thread -- even though we have become mortal enemies!

I'm granting that the man has a justified true belief, yes. This question strikes me as odd for two reasons. One, the man in the Russell example has a...

Is God not an actual thing? Must God be physical to fit into Frege's terminological system? The designation "God" refers to the referent God, and the ...

I don't think indefeasible and infallible are synonymous, but I get your objection. Well, of course I have discovered many times that what I thought I...

Are you trying to say that I'm the last Correspondence Theory of Truth dinosaur left on Earth?

Yes, everything I know is indefeasible. My KNOWLEDGE that the last clock I looked at was working properly and gave me the correct time is indefeasible...

Well, no, Sam, I don't think that is the question at all. The difference is this: (A) Are we justified in believing we are justified in believing it's...

May I recommend finding a professional philosopher whom to emulate. One of my favorite philosophers, when it comes to writing, is Jaegwon Kim. My advi...

I don't know about any of you, but I've found some of the discussion in this thread fruitful, mainly the stuff I've been writing, but of course I've l...

Yes. But I'm now suspiciously cautious that my answers are going to walk me into being a coherentist. Heck, if your intuitions of knowledge are differ...

To be fair to me, I wasn't trying to address your original question. I was simply trying to analyze and understand the scenario you put forth. I don't...

Gettier and Russell put forth examples which they figured most people would agree with in terms of whether the person had knowledge or not. They relie...

Thank you. My brain is no longer capable of abstraction, so examples almost always help. Well, I would assume that that satellite is providing informa...

What nonsense. You're just insisting that your scenario shows what you say it does. Everyone is perfectly in his own right to say whether it strikes h...

Hi Javra, Sorry, I cannot wrap my head around this question. It's probably not complicated, but it doesn't make full sense to me, so I don't want to c...

Do you mean...Can I reasonably hold two beliefs which don't cohere? I think maybe I'm not understanding what you're asking.

Am I wrong that you're a Coherentist? Aren't you saying that as long as all his beliefs cohere -- don't contradict any other beliefs he has -- then he...

No, that's not enough. If that were enough, then he could simply guess the correct time and he'd have knowledge, according to your definition. This is...

Would it be too much to have it all in one post? Reading someone's theory piecemeal is way too taxing for a sluggard like me.

Hi Javra, May I ask which scenario you are referring to: the Russell example or the counter-example? In the Russell example the clock is not working, ...

I've read a little of what you say on the topic prior to the post where this quote comes from, but I cannot claim to have read everything you say in t...

Bartricks, Before we spend more sweat and tears on responses to each other, I want to highlight a very important disagreement we have, which might be ...

I don't think anybody would disagree that we sometimes make mistakes. So, yes, sometimes when we think we've satisfied the definition of JTB, we actua...

Bartricks, Let me respond to you first. I do want to address some of the other comments, too, though, but perhaps in subsequent posts. What a curious ...

Hello Bartricks, I want to comment on your original post. My apologies to everyone else who has responded in the thread, for I have not read your comm...

Howdy, folks. I'm an old guy with opinions, some philosophical, all irrefutable. I don't know how much I'll be contributing to the forum, as I try to ...