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But if there is a thought without "self" isn't that just the same as philosophical zombie or a computer?
November 02, 2019 at 08:03
I'm failing to find sense in experience happening to someone who is not aware the experience is their own. I'd say 'to experience' is the same thing a...
November 02, 2019 at 07:45
Is experience possible without self-awareness?
November 02, 2019 at 07:16
Is awareness not just a sum of all inner feelings and external sensations? Is there a fundamental difference betwee feeling taste or smell, and feelin...
November 02, 2019 at 05:05
Is there nothing we can say about it? Is it process, succession of separate events? Is it feeling, sensation? Can we not even say yes or no to those q...
November 02, 2019 at 04:54
I asked you, but if you insist then I am convinced. I feel that I know conviction is an emotion. And now you know too. Fantastic!
November 02, 2019 at 04:50
Pain is pain, but is also a sensation. Joy is joy, but is also a feeling. Now, I see you are insisting conviction is conviction, but what I asked you ...
November 02, 2019 at 03:46
I agree with that, but then what is conviction: feeling, sensation, experience, understanding, illussion... what is conviction?
November 02, 2019 at 03:05
I'm talking about something else. We have a clue how it works, but not why. We see innate affinity of lipids to spontaneously form membranes, we under...
November 01, 2019 at 21:53
The mystery only disappears if we ignore larger mystery this little mystery is riding on, and the big mystery is emergence of consciousness and life f...
November 01, 2019 at 20:34
Emergence of consciousness and life from inanimate matter is unremarkable then? Perhaps that's exactly what you would expect to get when you combine s...
November 01, 2019 at 16:13
Not bad, but what if we are to unknowingly become gods ourselves? “You are an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself" ...
November 01, 2019 at 04:09
Sweet, I always wanted to do that. Do we get to be part of it? Is it internet?
November 01, 2019 at 03:55
It misses the point, which is that life, civilizations, internet, space travel... what you think, what I'm writing right now, all this is encoded and ...
November 01, 2019 at 03:14
Yes. And, is anything accorded with the philosophy?
November 01, 2019 at 01:50
ID also has argument about chances required to mutate DNA while not breaking the code already in it. Something about random changes to MS Word softwar...
November 01, 2019 at 01:30
In that case any argument against that theory should work against this machine as well. What is the best criticism for computational theory of mind? A...
October 31, 2019 at 21:52
Being more is greater than being less. Two of those must be greater than just one. That they share the 1st place does not make any of them less great,...
October 31, 2019 at 20:36
Beings may want build a simulator to avoid illness and death. Not sure if the world we live can be justified with any such noble reason. It seems then...
October 31, 2019 at 20:15
It's not because there are arguments it can not be done in principle, on a PC. I am not aware there are problems around AI learning to speak, are you ...
October 31, 2019 at 18:23
I am talking about the machine I described. Your marchine needs not to understand, mine does.
October 31, 2019 at 18:11
1000 years ago there is already a world where you are possible, determinist would say even inevitable. To make a fair comparison you would need to add...
October 31, 2019 at 17:31
Definition is necessary so we know what exactly is it you are trying to say. Is there some argument I should address? I don't see it.
October 31, 2019 at 07:07
Execution of specific functions goes step by step. But what functions will run, with what parameters and when, can be triggered and varies relative no...
October 31, 2019 at 07:04
Great question. And again to answer it we must first talk about some definition, in this case what "to understand" means. Would you care to define it?
October 31, 2019 at 06:04
I think it can be argued without it, but yes, little driver seat for consciousness, all with joystick and tiny little monitor so it can play itself as...
October 31, 2019 at 06:00
Maybe you mean it is fake if computer's inner representation of qualia is, say some list of pie-charts? I'd say no, because your electro-chemical repr...
October 31, 2019 at 05:35
With title I wanted to suggest this particular arrangement of hardware components is important to achieve all that.
October 31, 2019 at 05:21
We can code it into the program and so we can be certain it has it. Can we not? It also has that inner screen, so I can say there it is qualia right t...
October 31, 2019 at 05:18
It's like you read that nubered list as arguments, but that's just a list of hardware components. I'm just saying a PC can be programmed to be conscio...
October 31, 2019 at 04:57
To rephrase, those are labels not explanations. You may question whether the label is appropriate or not.
October 31, 2019 at 04:34
You can't just say Newton's laws are not quite complete description of celestial motion for no reason at all, you have to point at something even vagu...
October 31, 2019 at 04:26
It's just description of the functions. It can still be questioned can ordinary computer host such program, or is there something fundamental about th...
October 31, 2019 at 03:56
Proper definition will be the judge. Agreed? And by proper I mean the one most of us agree on. But in any case, all arguments put forward here should ...
October 31, 2019 at 01:04
The question of free will, but more generally it's the question of top-down or downward causality. Let me expand this a bit so we have wider range to ...
October 30, 2019 at 23:38
Only if there is an argument such programs could not be made in principle. And I should probably mention both programs are able to modify and expand t...
October 30, 2019 at 22:24
I would argue program can be made to incorporate 'qualia' properties in a sufficiently robust way that enables those concepts to interact with other c...
October 30, 2019 at 22:17
Yeah, sounds good to me.
October 30, 2019 at 19:49
I'm searching for new definition of 'free will' since I realized "ability to choose otherwise" doesn't really cut it. The more I think about "setting ...
October 30, 2019 at 12:05
...guided by the future goal, not the past state of our mind. What a fantastic definition for 'free will', I thought at first. Then I realized it's no...
October 30, 2019 at 05:48
Speaking of "collective", it is interesting "the greatest conceivable being" does not forbid existence of more than one such thing. They could then fo...
October 30, 2019 at 04:30
IF, THEN in computer language - what goes after 'then' is independent function, sentence on its own. Thus truth value is taken twice, separately for e...
October 29, 2019 at 00:18
Consider Matrix type simulation in a detrrministic universe. Could it be made in principle, such that entities in there would have free will, given la...
October 28, 2019 at 23:32
It sounds impossible in principle, but I think it's very much an open question can a deterministic system of elements give rise to emergent units cons...
October 28, 2019 at 23:29
I made shit up, it's called hypothesis. You say its practical application is unknown and yet you insist it has no value. You keep failing to address a...
October 28, 2019 at 22:41
Looks like I made a mistake to separate this topic from my original thread. What we are talking about now fits better there and is already fully expla...
October 28, 2019 at 20:21
I do believe I went through all that at some point in time, more or less, otherwise I would not think there is something different here and worth talk...
October 28, 2019 at 19:53
Based on how much compatibilism didn't make any sense to me before, I'd say there is something quite different, if not "more", implied in that stateme...
October 28, 2019 at 19:40
I see it as argument for neither, but rather as a paradox asking for redefinition of 'free will'.
October 28, 2019 at 19:36
Logic. So the only valid objection is to take something I actually said, a whole concept or a sentence and address it directly. Anything else you say ...
October 28, 2019 at 17:09