Banno

Recent thread on QM? You might remind me. Leo talks of an "objective world". Again, I think it incumbent that he explain how an objective world differ...

@"frank" It is easy to explain in terms of language games. "Subjective" and "objective" have a fairly clear use, as set out in the OP. Philosophers te...

I might give @"frank" a chance to respond before I do.

@"frank" But take a look at Leo's post. What do you make of how he uses "subjective"?

Fine.

Something is either true, or false. Feelings usually have little to do with it. Further, to feel that something is true is to believe in that thing. O...

Only if the fanatic is right.

No. I don't see a difference between having the experience of remembering and...remembering. Further I hold that if folk want to make such distinction...

@"frank" If you do mean theory of mind as in the psychology of why we think other folk are not philosophical zombies, there are numerous examples in P...

What?

And by theory of mind, you mean why I think other people have minds? Or something else?

So why not just say that the victim has a point of view, and be done with it? What more is added by bringing in subjective? My contention is that it b...

I'm not going to summarise PI in twenty words or less.

Now what does this mean? When you say it is subjective, what does that do? I understand what subjective means in the contexts explained in the OP - a ...

@"StreetlightX" My apologies for being somewhat dismissive. This thread is about applying the stuff in PI to philosophical problems. You can see that ...

You are here using "objective" in a way that differs from the one set out in the OP. "I prefer vanilla ice" is a subjective statement in accord with t...

I know some philosophers talk this way. I think it misleading. The remainder of your post serves as an example of what happens when a philosopher talk...

When we think we are being objective but find out we were wrong, the reasons we find that we were wrong was because we were being more subjective and ...

I just do most see what "objective" is doing here. Both are aspects of the world that we can talk about.

Does it? What is it in your example that is subjective? here's' my contention: that there is a fairly straightforward use of "subjective" to talk abou...

You are aware of the private language argument. It's rather disingenuous to insist that if someone does not agree with you then they have misread your...

No. Meaning is shared.

I've given a few. Your present post, for one. I rest my case.

Again, you want me to justify my preference for vanilla ice? No? Then why do I need to justify my preference for not committing murder?

I think applying them to moral statements - looking for objective morality - is a misuse. Not because there are no objective moral facts, but because ...

Yep. It's one of the misused of objective and subjective to which this thread is addressed. Like Harry said:

Here's an example for the sort of post I have in mind in the OP: See how it confuses belief and truth?

I'd go with "true yet unwarranted".

Did I catch up?

I think we do. But only about how we ought use the word "objective".

I've no idea. Again, you have lost me. Why would you think that? Or what really, really is? or what really, really, really is? There are sentences unw...

But kicking puppies is wrong. You agree with me. What more do you want? It's being objectively true (to misuse "objectively") would not make it any mo...

Sure. Just adding what I thought relevant.

But I don't think it objectively true. That does not stop me from thinking it true.

Interesting, but I disagree.

Yep.

While I don't understand much of what you have said, this re-thinking deserves respect.

You seem concerned that I don't use the term "moral objectivism". IS it that you think that moral statements being subjective renders them somehow les...

Too strong. Forget meaning -- look instead at what we do with words.

That looks slightly mad. ...and that would be a good thing.

Also, the different sense added by @"Terrapin Station" is senseless.

All you have done here is to say that what is subjective is not shared, and that what is not shared is subjective. A circle through with the beetle dr...

Two possibilities: Gods exist; Gods do not exist. Two attitudes: I believe that.. ; I do not believe that... Four possibilities: a) I believe that god...

A bit out of left field, but OK. I also claim to prefer vanilla ice over chocolate ice. Do you expect me to provide a warrant for that, too? Perhaps i...

:joke:

Pointedly. I'm following the opinion that it is better to look to use than meaning.

The pictures were certainly eloquent.

Now I only skimmed and looked at the pictures... but hey, nice.

If folk keep adding comments at a greater rate than I can reply, this will be my longest ever thread.

Maybe. I would be a bit guarded aghast making such a broad generalisation. Someone else said something similar. I don't think so. I think my preferenc...