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I don't see how an evangelist who commenced uncharitably would get very far.

I think you misunderstand me; we must take care with the scope of the belief statements. Let Jenny be out 2-year-old. there are four possible beliefs ...

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/7048428.pdf Where? It's just that the you use notation may differ from that in the article. Is a, for instance, an ind...

Well, do you believe that the cat is on the mat? then you will hold "the cat is on the mat" to be true. And if not, then I suppose you will not. It do...

Well, let's not kill the messenger. Davidson approaches the discussion in this way both because it is his area of interest, and because it presents a ...

Direction fo fit and such.

s is true IFF p and (q or not q). Not much of an improvement.

That's what this thread is about.

@"Isaac" I think the problem you see with neuroscience comes from the introduction of a bit of recursion. Davidson rejects the notion of paradigms - c...

What's

I explained above why we ought reject this reformulated T-sentence. The Queen never farts. If, and of course this never happens, but if the queen were...

That's an excellent summation. You've grasped the argument. I take him to be talking about a workable theory of the meaing of another language - and h...

noticed that this is not Davidson view; but Davidson’s Account of his antagonists view?

@"ZzzoneiroCosm", your improved understanding of the article might be better facilitated by your attempting to answer these questions yourself.

yes...?

The first is not a definition of truth, so much as of fit in terms of truth. The second says there can be no definition of truth. Hence, no contradict...

Honey, vinegar and flies.

@"fdrake", @"Isaac" Drop the neuroscience for a bit. Lets' look at an analogous situation. Suppose that one made a Bayesian representation of the econ...

I was going to write that I think he does - But that's not a bad summation.

A digression, perhaps... For Davidson, beliefs are caused. Ramsey's analysis of truth strikes me as very similar to T-sentences - instead of the simpl...

@"Isaac" Any tertiary sources?

So... something about neural structures of various scales adapting so as to maximise entropy? Talk of representation rather than conceptual schemes......

That's it.

@"Isaac" - I cant see the link you provided earlier; can you put it up again?

Excellent posts, Isaac. My reaction is that perhaps the conceptual schemes Davidson is dealing with differ in some important way from the models that ...

The stuff in the cup is wine. Those who say it is blood are doing no more than playing word games.

Odd, because it is a specific and cutting criticism of your suggestion. Regardless of whether the talk is about Chi, yin, yang, radiation therapy or c...

But that's just not true. If the tumour goes away, the tumour goes away, regardless of what you call the tumour. And that's the point. This notion of ...

And how would I eliminate the doubt - should I have it - that there is some aspect of your use of English that is untranslatable? The problem remains ...

Does Shannon entropy show us that there is a message without telling us what the message is?

So what we would see is a series of prime numbers and - random noise? Hence my asking about information theory. Recognising that a signal contains a m...

So one way forward would be to apply information theory to translation.

Fine; so I'll get pedantic and say that what can be concluded is that the signal might be a message, not that it is a message.

If we couldn't translate it, how could we know it was an alien signal?

It seems you have understood the article. Cool. Excellent post.

Feyerabend, Kuhn... @"Janus", although they might not admit it; this is where their story ends.

Edit: Ah. After reading a bit further ahead, I see where you are going. Sure.

He is wholly rejecting that claim You seem to have lost track, Creative.

I read it as Davidson pointing out again that it is statements that are true or false; and since statements are part of language, their truth is relat...

I hadn't noticed that - you are right.

Clearly, in the last few paragraphs, he rejects the notion of conceptual schemes altogether.

THis is excellent. Please continue - I'd love to see where we agree and were we differ. So far, we seem to be reading the same paper...

:smile: Don't sound so surprised...

I'm not overly happy with this comment. It leads me to think that the effort I put into the exegesis has not been matched by a careful reading of my c...

Not so much. The view I have expressed many times and over several years is that philosophical issues in the main are conceptual knots that can be smo...

Well, I meant to address your concern, and wrote stuff about it - around page seven. Perhaps I expected too much. And later some more about the last f...

We have translated proper names? And nothing else? Beliefs can be stated. Not all of them are stated, of course; but if something is a belief then it ...

Fucksake. As if the article, and this thread, didn't happen. I'm nonplussed. At least for now.

Suppose we have two conceptual schemes, such that some things are accounted true in one, but not in the other - the idea being that what is to count a...