Banno

Well, no, since the universe of discourse is presumably the cake...

I can't see how that makes it incomplete. If you asked for at least one, and you receive all of them, you have by that very fact received at least one...

Is it? Perhaps sometimes, but not always. Usually it's use is restricted by context. So if when asked if you would prefer tea or coffee, you replied "...

These are not the same. If you asked me to hand you anything, you are not asking me to hand you everything.

x=x is just setting out the way we use "=".

The thread had been moved into the lounge. I've moved this back into Philosophy of Mathematics. It's credentials as such should be evident in the cont...

That's a good move. There may be a way around the inconsistency. So we have, from @"John Gill", For any two integers a,b, a+b=0 And we have from you, ...

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I don't bake.

This is inconsistent with So, do you choose inconsistency, or reject John Gill's formulation?

That shows a lack of imagination.

Then integers takes on a use that is peculiar to this game.

If it is going to be discovered, then it is covered... And hence, it is. Where are mathematical expressions before they are discovered? The simple ans...

OK. Banno's Game

Maths is constructed. One can do with it as one pleases with the symbols involved. We make the rules up as we go, and we can and do go back and change...

And did you reach this conclusion after a read of the texts at hand? Do you suport them, or reject them?

Here's the core: Taking states of affairs to include mental states, a lie has the intent to misrepresents a state of affairs, and hence the lier's con...

Language doesn't work in the way presumed here. The meaning of terms such as "identical' changes with its use - or rather, we should think of its use ...

So, can one be sick as a dog? It's an image, Mr Wittgenstein. Of course she does not know what a dog that has bee run over feels like. But you yoursel...

I admit to finding Black's prose quite enjoyable - ironically purple.

The argument Frankfurt presents is that Humbug involves a continuum... the lie direct, the virtual lie, and falsidical humbug - this from Black. But B...

Yes! The point raised is that his audience was a willing accomplice, not a patsy. Humbug as entertainment.

Yes, yes, of course - but does the text support this? Carefully.

Bah, Humbug!

Here's something nice: ...Black.

SO what I am taking issue with is the analysis of humbug - and hence of bullshit - as being short of a lying. Frankfurt has it that in both bullshitin...

I'd follow Searle's analysis. One presupposition of making an assertion is that the speaker believes what is asserted. That presupposition is what is ...

Moore's paradox.

Does this matter in regard to the overall project? The orator example is clearer, I think. The orator, according to Frankfurt does not care what his a...

The discussion of "short of lying" becomes a bit more problematic. I baulked at and yet: Frankfurt says that asserting one has twenty dollars in ones ...

But I will grant the case that one might misrepresent some other mental state - claiming to be in pain when one is not, for example. Does one believe ...

A belief is always a belief that such-and-such. Hence, misrepresenting what one believes is always misrepresenting two things: that such-and-such is t...

All agreeable, Creative. Misrepresenting: two different ones. One is misrepresenting what is the case; the other is misrepresenting what one believes....

Interesting how folk want to jump to the end.

And it says: pay attention to the justification of any stray assertion. Good advice.

For me, that's the issue. But thanks for putting your thoughts on this issue down in writing.

So... despite all appearances to the contrary, we are not talking to each other? Odd.

Then why did you reply to me? A performative contradiction.

Equivalent, then. As in, 'p' is true IFF p. There is a parallel reification for the existence of propositions. A proposition is what "it is raining", ...

No, it isn't. If it were, it would contain lots of formulae and stuff. I know that, 'cause I've whole books on formal logic, all of them with weird sy...

So pretence often accompanies bullshit, but is not essential to it.

Russell's Tirade, recounted in The Prevalence of Humbug, caught my attention. Quite amusing. But humbug? Or bullshit? It certainly shows the manipulat...

Needed a new thread.... https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/7335/on-bullshit

Or you could read On Bullshit.

So... tell me what you are thinking...

SO yes, it would be good if folk looked more to what justifies the assertions other folk make. Do we need philosophers to tell us that?

...so all we need do to save the world is to change human nature.

Merit and truth are not the same. Merit is closer to justification than to truth.

So, yes, we learn a language by using it.

No, we don't translate back into a more primitive language - a "mentalese". That would lead to a regress - a language in which to translate mentalese,...