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Well, no, as your example showed -

Beer.

The Mark of Zombie

Too cynical? I was a tutor in a small philosophy department for a year or two. I recall clearly the discussions about needing to encourage existential...

Ah - that last quote from Davidson finishes a paper showing that there can be no cultural rifts... Not if they are mooted to be incommensurable.

...but there is no way to distinguish someone who stubbornly refuses to use the right words for the right colours from someone who is actually colourb...

Now you gettin' it. He's invented a game - the hard problem - that will keep him in hot dinners and clean socks.

...as Davidson said

Seems you've just gone back to the start of the argument again, so this might be a good place to leave off.

For others here, I'll add to the problems introduced by the inclusion of qualia by pointing to the theory of meaning proffered by Khaled, which makes ...

We don't even need to refer to them when things go astray. They are not needed in the diagnosis of colourblindness, nor in the correction of someone's...

You missed the crux, perhaps: We don't even need to both call the experience we are having 'red'; what we need is that you pass me the red apple.

Cool. I also like to keep one eye on the bigger implications. But to my eye, introducing qualia seems to be playing in to the schism between reduction...

Yep, it does.

I don't disagree with anything here - but it does not lead to a conclusion about qualia. Your argument on isomorphism is very close to that found in P...

I was thinking of adding an exegesis on the SEP qualia article, which is pretty good, and tending more to your views, I suspect. But I'm not enjoying ...

OK, so I'm aware that the use of the word "qualia" in English predates the industrial revolution. So I'm understanding that qualia are somehow importa...

No, don't go changing the argument again, please - I couldn't stand that. ...and this is because there is a correlation between our noticing an apple ...

That's not something with which I would disagree - and it doesn't mention qualia. A step towards some sort of reconciliation.

So... there is a statistical relation between there being an apple in one;s visual field and one noticing the apple. What's this got to do with my "th...

This: ? I haven't been able to follow that argument, either - I'd thought you were claiming something like that the set of word - meaning corresponden...

Oh - no, I was just trying to follow Marchesk.

We can put that distinction there, if needed. Sure. And?

Which is to say, sometimes the apple goes unnoticed. Now @"Marchesk" offered this as a reply to my 'the meaning of "red" cannot be the experience it p...

Tracing the discussion back, Yet, the process of the visual perception of an apple sometimes produces conscious awareness. Not sure what this does to ...

So, the experience is the conscious awareness... but not always. hence, the process of the visual perception of an apple sometimes produces conscious ...

So, putting that together, The process of the visual perception of an apple produces an experience in us? That is, the experience is something differe...

The visual perception of an apple produces an experience in us?

Not a problem. Because your technology is so far behind, it usually takes about twelve hours before your news gets to us... So should be able to send ...

You have to remember we live about twelve hours in your future. It's already Friday night here, and the 'roo is currying.

It would seriously help if you would explain its relevance. Just using the word does not help. Meh. Time for dinner. This is not interesting.

I read a bit of Wiki and Wolfram and so on - the Britannica article was the best - but so what?

Isaac's answer seems cogent and accurate.

Think on that a bit. If the meaning of "red" is the experience it points to, then what you call red and what I call red are different - because your e...

That's rather the point at issue. "Red" doesn't point to the experience of red. If it did, we wouldn't need to write "red" differently from "the exper...

The two other best pieces of nonsense - and

AH. Does the taster often taste beer without the beer being present? It seems that the beer has something to do with it's taste...

Yep.

Ok: qualia exist in a way not like smells and tastes, but like the little man who wasn't there and the Jabberwock. I find that risible. But if that's ...

these are questions about a little man who isn’t there. That apple tastes sweet to me, bitter to you. See? Are we talking about qualia now?

SO you are claiming to be the only person who can taste apples?

All of which we can talk about, without the extra structure of qualia. Do you really think that anyone here doubts that apples taste of apple? Do you ...

This seems to be a large part of the misunderstanding here - that it's qualia or there's no consciousness. That's because qualia are defined at first ...

If someone were to set up a world in which there was only eliminative materialism or qualia, and one were obligated by reason to reject qualia, one wo...

Maybe you are beginning to understand...?

Yep.

By voting. By participating.

Disingenuous.

You're complaining that your eggs are overdone while the house burns down around you.

Fucksake. Ok, you got me. You win. There is indeed a language game about qualia. As indeed there is now a language game about Prefflings. And they hav...