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But pain exists.

Oo, look! The OP woke up Tobias! Cool! Fathoming how traffic lights work should be a first task amongst philosophers. The physical description of thei...

Rather, a natural law is a description. hence the remainder of your OP does not follow. Myth.

Science sets out what we might do, and what will happen if we do it. The choice of what to do remains with... well, I was going to say "us", but...

Well, you seem to be espousing the "Darwinist imperialism" castigated by Nagel in the article you were discussing with @"Wayfarer"... And the bloody a...

An incoherent mash of teleology with evolution, intentionality with causation. Very precise.

That's not what was said. The OP blames science for "threatening our very existence with technological devices today", when the culprit is scientific ...

Yep.

Balls.

In essence, because we do not listen to what the scientists say.

Indeed.

Since you don't back this up with any form of erudition, I don't really much care.

Another good thing about the article cited is that it provides a more nuanced account than the rather mundane "qualia or eliminative materialism" spec...

Actually it varies from an itch to a burning; and I don't care what the doctor does or does not imagine. An unimaginative doctor might be just as effe...

On the angry stuff. "I know I was angry because I felt angry"? Knowledge is usually taken as justified true belief. So you can justify your belief tha...

This actually does not address the issue. There are no facts about a traumatic experience that cannot be stated. But of course no set of statements wi...

Stop it withthe posting, folks, and give a man a chance to catch up. Nice. I don't think the critique of Davidson amounts to much, so that's were I'll...

You can't tell us what qualia are, because they are ineffable. And you cannot show them to us, because they are private. But they are there, he cries!

It'll never stay dead. The corpse will be reanimated, probably several times, over the coming years.

:lol:

Yeah, I know. Me too. So who have these other folk been arguing with?

Well, lunch is next on my agenda.

Folk can't tell us what qualia are, because they are ineffable. And folk cannot show them to us, because they are private. But rejecting qualia does n...

How's about an honest "I don't know"? What's problematic here is accepting or rejecting the Dennett article (Remember the Dennett article? This is a t...

Here's a thought, something to kick around. What if Dennett is right that qualia are incoherent, but wrong about reductionism?

ghgh Respectfully, neither of you would be my choice for interpreting @"Isaac".

You called? I'm not overly enamoured with detailed descriptions of physiology, so i hadn't much been following @"Isaac"'s contributions. Do you fell u...

Here's the difficulty with Khaled's position. He has decided that qualia are ineffable in that there is always something about them that cannot be sai...

SO what counts as language use? my suggestion, from the previous thread already mentioned, is that it contain names, groups of things and connectives;...

They skirted him. So, are we going somewhere here?

Wittgenstein was never a positivist.

That second paragraph is quite beyond my keen. But, for the other, I think the picture theory ran deep enough to carry well into PI, and that this is ...

I just find your thesis somewhat obscure. But not as obscure as Mmw's. The context is guessing thoughts, and the talk of pictures relating this to his...

Have a look at the sections around about ?500.

Cheers. It's a neat article. Not doing so is @"schopenhauer1"'s failing. Had to laugh at his "...see my post here along similar lines" that linked bac...

Often as I can. Sure, the context is important. If that is the whole of your thesis, then we have no disagreement. If I see a lion writhing in pain wi...

...and yet humanity is all we have. See Humanism gives way to misanthropy

Cheers. @"StreetlightX" made a thread on this topic a few years back. Lions and Grammar I think Wittgenstein was making a joke. Either that, or he was...

No we havn't. We have a small group of philosophers pretending that something which is the subject of ubiquitous conversation is actually ineffable. I...

Rubbish. Understanding why the issue is important enough to take up over sixty pages is directly relevant. (and since you keep going back over the sam...

Sense with no reference. That'll work. There's that moving goal post, that ambiguity back to which you have repeatedly withdrawn. You can't tell us wh...

The "you" was generic; if you took it to be a reference to you, that's your issue.

...and here again you have entirely misrepresented what has been said. But hey, it's my thread, so keep adding to it.

https://static.existentialcomics.com/comics/wittgensteinsLion.png

It's all good. Truth will out. Evolution will soon remove the unmasked.

Where's @"Sam26" when you need him...? Oh, yeah, we scared him away. Damn. That's different - an Hegelian critique of Wittgenstein... Curious.

And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." ...

You think there must be something more; you need there to be something more. Otherwise it's all just physics, and you think this would make it all poi...

When you try, you end up talking about plain simple tastes and smells and pains and apples. You try and try to explain the "something more" that you w...

...and we all went back to Dennett's essay. Remember Dennett's Essay? This is a song about Dennett's essay. (Apologies to Arlo...)