Banno

Of course.

Take a look at our old friend: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338893714/figure/fig4/AS:852667970641928@1580303294847/Duck-Rabbit-Ludwig-Witt...

That argument rests on a fundamental problem with dualism. IF there are two things in the world - say a physical world and mind - then how is it that ...

SO is the argument cogent? Let's pry it apart. My bolding. The argument as presented is not cogent. It is incomplete. But we might be able to piece to...

I like threads that are based on articles. They have the potential to provide far ore substance to chew on. Of course, they are dependent on folk read...

You and your dog see the same bird, but in different ways.

Special pleading. This claim involves wilfully ignoring swaths of christian writing, as well as their actions.

SO point me to where this topic has been discussed ad nauseam in these fora.

:meh:

I need an ulterior motive to discuss a novel philosophical argument on a philosophy forum?

What?

Yes. left me nonplussed.

Ah. See PM.

Fixed. Slight dyslexia, i reverse letters - or in this case a letter and a space.

We aim to please.

Yep.

Whatever. You appear to what a fight more than a conversation. I'm not interested.

That's pretty feeble.

The trouble is, again, that the view being criticises - eternal damnation - is a part of christianity as understood by christians. Their admiration fo...

It seems the discussion is somehow taboo. The arguments against the OP amount to no more than "Banno, you can't say that!"

Eternal damnation. Well, what is being critiqued is the notion that a god whois so unjust ought be worshiped. There was an exchange on this earlier. S...

It applies very specifically to discourse. Feel whatever you like, but express yourself with care.

As if the object of faith were irrelevant so long as the "feeling" was right. What twaddle. Do I have a tin ear? No, I'm pointing to an interesting di...

Ah, I'm oppressing christians again. My bad.

Ouch. That's just not right. The doctrine being critiqued is their own, in their own words. Tutu's god crying while he commits folk to the hell he cre...

No. I'm puzzling as to why some nonchristians feel a strong need to be so defensive of christianity.

Why would I want to do that? Still not seeing your point.

Still not seeing an argument here - is there one, or just an observation? Sure, different folk evaluate on different bases. And yes, those evaluations...

I've no idea what you are asking.

Well, yes, they do - because they result in actions, and these actions can be evaluated. Adopting a certain religious belief does not somehow place on...

Sure, all that - see Confirmable and influential Metaphysics Belief in hell does have implications for behaviour. Those implications are complex and v...

Rubbish. What you have here is two descriptions of the very same world. Claiming that there are two worlds will result in incommensurable descriptions...

Religion can be part of that system of the coercion that brings about our acquiesces to the powers that be. And, as Tutu showed, it can be part of the...

See . Yes, bats do live in the same world as us.

Odd thing is, you seem in the end to be agreeing.

AH, but the point I woudl make is that each of the people who believe that the door is open may well have a different brain state for that belief. The...

Yes, we seem to have a rough sort of agreement here.

So do bats, I'm told. How can you tell?

Are you doubting that it is a propositional attitude - that it is faith in something...? 'cause that's not right.

Yeah, pretty close.

Then there is stuff such as this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEczvJ5INCs

Here, for the christians offended by this thread. Now I do not think this sufficient. My suspicion, voiced above, is that hell is unjust, and further ...

It's the supposed common "something it is like..." to which this argument applies, not the faith.

Faith is a propositional; attitude, if that is what youa re asking. After the church fathers, it's belief that is at least independent of, and often c...

Another reason to baulk. Propositional attitudes have a linguistic structure, attitude:proposition. In this sense they can be subject to algorithms. N...

I'm simply not well enough versed in neural nets to answer your questions. The two possibilities... I used the same argument a few years ago to the en...

Yes, that's right.

If you like.

Well, it might best be described as Banno's understanding of Davidson. Then if I have it wrong it's not his fault, and if I have it right he can take ...

Fair enough. We're at the edge of the usefulness of language. We've dealt with similar situations before, in discussion of other supposed ineffable it...