Banno

Where's @"Kenosha Kid"?

@"Constance", see my notes under "Moral considerations" in In praise of Atheism for a discussion of Abraham. The Knight of Faith is immoral.

Ok, Fair response.

Has the screaming stoped? It is apparent how different that set of circles is from the other. It's not a simplification so much as a different item. S...

Ok, so we have ritual, transcendent hierarchies and longing. Would you add "an ultimate explanation" to that list? It somehow seems overkill.

See https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/10177/knowledge-belief-and-faith-anthony-kenny/p1 You view would seem to be at odds with the church fath...

..and then I read this: :wink:

Be mindful that the introduction of science was a reply to @"Wayfarer"'s specific argument, found in the wheel he showed us. My point is not that scie...

What twaddle. It was ludicrous before the dream time. "The Almighty Johnsons" is from New Zealand, so you can add it to 's list.

I don't follow that. Can you fill it in?

Again, What? The conversation went... But that is exactly what Kierkegaard says Abraham did. Despite all else telling him not to sacrifice Isaac, he f...

Oh, sure. So what is the more...? Can you tell me? If not, don't ask me to tell you wheat the "greater" is in science. Let's just agree to a revert si...

Is it the mistake of confusing the body of knowledge science produces with the process of uncovering that knowledge?

It's a common feature of all concepts, I suspect. So not something that counts against religion. It's interesting that the struggle to explicate the c...

There is a whiff of special pleading here, of the need for folk to stipulate that whatever religion is, science cannot share in its wisdom. I'll stand...

Seems to me that there is a failure here to acknowledge the piety of the scientist, their subservience to a greater being. Take care not to be indulgi...

What? The knight of faith does not doubt his understanding of god. He is "standing before the world with the presumption of certainty."

It's pretty clear he is talking about treating the laws of nature as logical necessities in that section. So I am not sure that the context supports y...

Then we are in rough agreement that the concept of religion cannot be set out explicitly.

Then they are mistaken.

I was thinking that being aware of (x) is seeing it as... Is that right?

\ Ah, seeming as something we do... a practice, the following of a rule?

I don't agree, not at first blush. Knowing is doing; That one knows how to ride a bike is demonstrated in the act of riding. Just being aware (conscio...

It would be a mistake to think that because something is undefined, it is meaningless.

Does it make sense to say one knows how things seem? Isn't it just that they seem? Any ratiocination is excessive.

I hadn't realised the link between Spinoza's pantheism and the Jewish tradition of eminence until this thread. ...whereas I would not call that either...

On longing... You are describing a sort of existential angst, the looking into the void, the acknowledgement that all this stuff is bullshit. But so m...

SO you've some knowledge of introspection. What do you think of 's Is introspection fundamental to understanding our place in the Universe? Or can phy...

In my defence I did lead with So the candidates for an anchor that seem most promising are ritual, transcendent hierarchies and longing. The question ...

Who here is not a fool? You?

Doubtless.

Here's a topic! I think this a too narrow notion of science. Science is, for many if not most scientists, a spiritual practice, a way of transcending ...

If the shoe fits... ...as am I. That's the point of following through on the search for a "stipulated anchor". I do not think that such a thing can be...

Phhh. Read the thread. And I agree with you. There is this thing folk can do where ideas are mooted, for discussion, without being accepted as true. D...

:razz: Sacrilege! Of course he is the final word! But the serious point is that introspection is notoriously inconsistent; and that science in this re...

So your obsession with authority leads you to the superficial conclusion that religion is whatever someone authority says it is. As if the inconsisten...

Sure, so did the Mimbari: "We are Grey. We stand between the darkness and the light. I am grey. I stand between the candle and the star" Wittgenstein ...

SO if you think they have something to contribute, contribute it.

SO we drop the "thou" and the supernatural as incoherent, drop ethics as too fraught, drop the ineffable as outside of our discussion. At present we h...

:wink:

In an important sense, this is wrong. But that's for another thread.

Of course they are myths. That doesn't make them wrong. Saying Lord of the Rings is not an accurate account of the history of the world is neither use...

You seem in the end to be agreeing with my prejudice that we cannot get anywhere in this quest for a definition. Is that right? We cannot make explici...

Religion as longing. Why not?

So each religion sets out levels of selfhood that align to levels of reality. These form common element in that might be taken as setting out the natu...

Nor was it taken as such. You presented an opportunity to reconsider the topic. Cheers. I'm also looking for ways to break the cyclic nature of these ...

Yes, you and are correct, and I will accept my share of the blame, for lowering my replies to the repetition of old moral arguments, and being distrac...

Pretentious twaddle. Simple suits a folk tune.

There is no god. We make our own purpose.

So if we would survive we ought cooperate. And yet one insists on our asking: Why ought we survive?