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For you, does intent enter at the level of molecular messages or symbolic representation in an organism? You seem to be implying both.

So you would attribute intent to dishbrain? It is culpable in the murder described above?

Ok... It's just that this: seems to make use of Davidson and Anscombe's notion of intent being "under a description" rather than countering it or offe...

Sorry, I'm not following this..?

...and that's the point made by Austin's strategy. Until you have a term with which to contrast it, "real" has no meaning, does nothing except perhaps...

Sure. So here an unreal idea would be an hallucination? A dissociation? Again other words set the issue out with greater clarity.

But that's just not so. I went to a Harry Manx concert last night. Past truth.

Just to be clear, I mention anomalous monism as an example of an approach that separates physical and intentional descriptions. Similar ideas are foun...

Both real/artificial and real/inauthentic work to show how "real" is being used in . The strategy of looking for the contrasted term works in both cas...

Yep.

Thanks for the extensive reply, but I wasn't able to follow how it addresses the issues I raised. There still seem to be two descriptions involved - p...

I don't.

I agree. I was simply showing again how Austin's approach might be helpful.

, Isn't the contrast here real against artificial? As with other replies here, applying Austin's approach clears things markedly. Notably notions of r...

A fair point, anomalous monism is after all monism. If the tumour caused his body to move, puppet-like, and against his volition he committed the murd...

What? If, If something is ‘true’ then you must know it, then anything that is true is known: there are no unknown trues; we know everything. Basic log...

Well phrased. I share your disquiet at what appears to be quite articulate, erudite handwaving and overreach.

That's a clever, intriguing paper. Thanks. So where I above supposed that there may be two differing but agreed descriptions, the paper argues that th...

That's contentious. As mentioned, it implies that you are omniscient: there are no truths that you do not know. But further, it commits you to rejecti...

Cheers. :meh:

If I could check something - Wigner's friend agrees that Wigner sees interference effects; and WIgner agrees that his friend sees a definite result? T...

Or perhaps this addresses stuff well outside your system. I commend Mary Midgley to you, as antithetical to your scientism. Challenge yourself.

Indeed, a direct consequence of seems to be that Benj96 might learn everything that is true - that he may become omniscient.

Why? There seem to be things that are true or false yet unknown - that you have an odd number of hairs on your forearm, for example.

Perhaps I should make my quibble more explicit. The temptation is to treat intention as developing by degrees, from wiggling ameba through to a fully ...

Interesting stuff.

Nice list. Thanks for pointing me to WordHippo.

Indeed, however, , there seems to be a dearth of fundamentalist Platonist terrorising the world into accepting their one true doctrine. The idea of th...

I much admire the clarity of that post. Taking the theme further, realist logic has it that a given statement has a truth value regardless of the whet...

Well, this thread has improved markedly. I suppose, in an attempt to steer it back on topic (not that there is anything wrong in going off topic in an...

Of course faeries are real. I keep finding their skulls in my garden. https://preview.redd.it/hjuc59n2y3671.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=66965...

|Seems to me to compliment it. SO you say ...while Austin shows that it has different meanings (uses) depending on context - it's not a real dollar no...

Austin, especially in Other Minds, addresses "real". But is it a real one? When you ask if it is real, what are you sugesting? No, it's a fake; it's a...

What you denigrate as is the bread and butter of intentionality. A shame, since the conversation was almost interesting.

As if choosing freely were the same as choosing randomly.

More starting from, than leaping too. If the biologist's use of "intent' does not match the philosophers, then perhaps they are talking about somethin...

I'm not convinced that a thermostat intends to keep the temperature stable. Nor that a virus intends to reproduce. My suspicion is that for some act t...

The temptation to reduce intent to mere reaction is always there in those with a reductionist bent. So is it legitimate to describe dishbrain as havin...

Yep, I agree. My complaint was more to do with the pop inferences in the article than with the experiment.

Part of the logical difficulty with Skinner's approach was that what was considered an averse stimulation was no more than that which the organism avo...

Neither is verificationism.

The only offence is your ongoing refusal to directly address the article you are pretending to critique, your preference for quoting the results of Go...

Who you calling dishbrain, you dishbrain? No, I was thinking more of the Chinese Room and extended cognition. In order to play pong the dishbrain had ...

Thanks for that - reinforcing my understanding. So liberalism grew despite, not because, of Christianity.

...and that'll do for her conclusion: "...that we have no ground for calling the path of the ball determined – at least, until it has taken its path"....

Hmm. There's not a lot of point in continuing a conversation about an article that you won't read. Your comments do not mesh with the article, nor wit...

Well, this thread is not about Anscombe, and there is already a thread on that article, so this is probably not the place. Further, your use of "circu...

Odd that it needed saying, but well said.

It's an oddly transactional view, the one expressed here. As if making an exchange were the only human interaction, and "What's in it for me?" the onl...

No. There remains the possibility of your reading the article rather than guessing.