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There is a blatant refusal of folk here to address what Quine actually argued.

Cheers. :roll:

Can you show how Alex, in the story, can determine the referent of "gavagai"?

So what the essence of tiger is, what makes it a tiger. Ok, what makes it a tiger? How do we make sense of You seemed to say there that essence is tra...

Cheers. There is a logical error that consists in treating something as being firm and clear when it isn't. "Thought" may not be the sort of word that...

I suggest, again, that the discussion begin with the gavagai example: https://medium.com/@ranjanrgia/thought-experiment-1-gavagai-70ae1bfc792a Does it...

yet So essence "specifies the things in virtue of which all tigers are tigers, while not having anything that isn't a tiger fall under the definition"...

It's complicated. :wink:

On Quine's account, yep.

I'm beginning to doubt that it is worth continuing with this. Thanks again for your notes. Separating force and content is to do with extensionality, ...

I only use the example because @"J" did, after @"RussellA". I might have asked which of "I know the tree is an oak" or "The tree is an oak" is an exam...

Perhaps. I had in mind Fine's rejection of Quine's holism. Kripke's origin essentialism works well. One might make sense of essences by using Searle's...

An utterance does occur at at a time and place. Indeed, you seem here to run two ideas together - the first, rejecting the notion that a thought occur...

Did you mean minority government? Might be the best outcome.

Whatever. I was pointing to the prose style in my two quotes.

Just pointing out that these issues were addressed at the time, and since. Yes, in many ways Rödl is anachronistic. He appears to be rehashing debates...

Thanks. Yep. The use of "says" rather than "thinks" removes a large part of the ambiguity that plagues this thread. So many unkempt posts. Your think1...

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So the present topic is Hegel catching up with the logic of the turn of the last century. Fine.

So I asked what a "Fregian proposition" is and received in reply explanations about what a thought is. Now I've also been told that for Frege the sens...

That doesn't say much. In some possible world Socrates was an alien. So leave it.

Here's case in point of the inability of the Liberal Party to put together a coherent opinion, let alone a policy. They released a pamphlet over the w...

Where to from here? Quine had little time for essences.

See https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/950033

And hence, I doubt Putin, who is stretched pretty thin, is in a position to provide support to Ivanishvili. And that Georgia is nothing like Syria is ...

I wasn't able to follow much of the differentiation between thinking p and thinking that p. "Fregian proposition". What's that? Yep. , thanks.

Are you saying that our fixer knows they can, but doesn't believe they can? The point here to work through the various ways in which "I know" is used?...

Then it seems I was right; he only thinks in terms of assertions. He doesn't think of questions. In asking what sort of tree that is, one is already s...

Then your use of "mental event" is quite broad. I suppose that follows from your idealism. What events are not mental events?

Rather, I was wondering whether you made that acknowledgement. The wording 'Not every language game involving the use of "I know..." is about an epist...

Gettier is just a repeat of the aporia of the ending of the Theaetetus. Let's not.

Then as an account of the uses of "I know...", JTB is incomplete.

Cool. Then the JTB definition is incomplete?

So there are legitimate uses of "I know..." that are not instances of justified true belief?

So there are mental events that are not thoughts? The parasympathetic nervous system controls salivation. Is salivation then to be thought of as a men...

Is that saying something profound, along the lines that any thought must include some notion of the self... or is it merely the grammatical observatio...

He seems to be. Considering too few alternatives is a common failing in such situations. If you want to discover the use of "thinking", it pays to be ...

@"J" – Are these refinements to the use of "thought" and "think" discovered, or simply stipulated? And again, not all thoughts have the form of a stat...

But did Wittgenstein continue to believe it was a good definition? "Don't think, look!" "I know I have a toothache - how silly of you to suppose other...

Or just hold the "o" down and press 4. ö.

Yes, and my apologies if I implied otherwise. Your account of Wittgenstein is excellent, well-researched and coherent. But I do not quite agree with i...

Good. But you did say " That's pretty clearly an equation. The problem was more your expression than my comprehension. And: suggests that Wittgenstein...

So I find myself trusting in the six-year term of what Keating called "that unrepresentative swill". But the Senate gives equal weighting to the state...

See my last. I rather think that he can be read as showing that JTB is too narrow. But On Certainty is unfinished, so we simply do not have his conclu...

What? I'm pointing out that is not a presumption of analytic philosophy. They are not equivalent. Knowledge is (sometimes) taken as that subclass of b...

You implied - stated - that Wittgenstein, and analytic approaches generally, equate belief and knowledge. That is not so. Hegel doesn't object to much...

Wittgenstein certainly did not equate knowledge and belief. He consistently takes knowledge to be both believed and true, and spends much effort in wo...

Again, as in our previous exchange, you take a tone of disagreeing with me while saying things with which I agree. Presenting an argument is a languag...

Here's the first three sentences: Read that again to yourself, slowly. It's not an argument, not a sequence of ideas that follow one from the other. I...