If someone is unconscious they cannot consent to sex. Therefore it is wrong to have sex with them in this state. if someone cannot consent to be creat...
Have you not heard of hypotheticals? There is nothing bizarre about predicting the future based on the past. Hello science! We are not talking about w...
That wasn't the issue. I feel slightly ludicrous having to explain this. He didn't have these things ornamentally but as part of a plot to harm someon...
But because he had an actual cage and chains in his basement it wasn't just a desire and speech. And a hate speech can incite violence. People can get...
I think a lot of the opposition on this thread amounts to semantics or exploiting ambiguity. Children are exposed to suffering and the body and mind w...
If reality is an illusion then yes. Law doesn't seem an appropriate word for some because it suggests a law giver. Some people say regularities. I thi...
I think if someone consents to something that gives them some accountability or responsibility. I think if someone creates someone else then the perso...
I was not just intending to talk about procreation and antinatalism i was asking how you can defend the notion of consent at all when our parents chos...
If the social services know that there are a couple who intend to create a child and they are alcoholics and drug users with criminal records, do you ...
I don't know what you think my argument is. I am stating the fact that we did not consent to be created or exist. So we are not here by consent or thr...
This is an example of a case of someone imprisoned for intending to harm a child in the future even though no specific child was involved and he may h...
Here's an example of concern for an unborn baby. "Where an unborn baby is likely to be in need of services from Children’s Social Care when born, a re...
I'm making a statement not an argument. The statement is "People can't consent to being born". If you accept that statement then you will see that com...
How we come into existence as an independent consciousness is a puzzle. It is a puzzle a lot of people don't acknowledge. At some stage we become awar...
Because people cannot consent to being born (conceived) then it can't be a consensual act (creating someone). There can be no sense in which we really...
Why is consent (in any circumstance) valuable at all? Maybe you think it isn't. You can't chose to be born but then you can't chose to be black or gro...
I also think the idea life is good is warped. How does a history of slavery, genocide, war, sexism, famine etc add up to existence being good? I can't...
Consent does come up when creating a child because a future child will have the ability to consent in the same way and unconscious person will when he...
I think this is a big issue for free will and freedom also. I believe we can freely think and move our bodies (usually) but..we can't choose our paren...
As I mentioned unless the parents initially have sex there is no fertilization process. And contraceptives are also used to avoid this. Nevertheless t...
The whole point of antinatalism is avoiding suffering especially unnecessary suffering, which a lot is. The suffering is non consensual because suffer...
This is leading to the semantic quibble I was aiming to avoid. The right to assemble is something that someone may want after being born but consent i...
There is no coherent way a pre existing soul could force someone to be their parent. As a childless person how could a pre existing soul force me to b...
The whole point of antinatalism is that suffering is very real including thousands of rapes everyday. That is what needs focusing on because these are...
But you're opinion is at odds with the law. People have been imprisoned for criminal intentions and these intentions have not been aimed at a specific...
I thought rape was basically defined by lack of consent. Sex without consent is rape. It is not the sex act that is the problem but the lack of consen...
The issue we are discussing is whether you can harm someone or behave immorally if the person is unable to consent. The counter argument is you can't ...
Well I do have an issue "with parents forcing kids to do things" I have never said to someone "don't rape me when I am asleep" someone does not need t...
An unconscious person cannot consent to sex but that does not make rape alright. An unconscious person will be able to consent in the future but then ...
I said you harm someone by creating them not be fore they exist. The act of creating them entails future harm. Creating someone is bringing them into ...
Successful suicide is the tip of the iceberg more people attempt it or have suicidal ideation. The unwillingness to commit suicide does not logically ...
You are conflating my argument and Ciceronianuses response to it. Life is founded on and created by a lack of consent. It is not created by stopping f...
People claim that you can't impose on the unborn (a semantic issue in my opinion). So when one is creating a child one can only be acting for their ow...
Why is it unreasonable? Would you say the same in the case of sleeping person or person in a coma? Consent is possible in the future of a persons life...
I think obeying a law is acting a part even if you think the law is very rational. Some laws you don't break not because you are obeying them but beca...
I think that laws are fictions like a lot of social ideas. I think people act towards law in the manner of "Bad faith" as described in Sartre. It is e...
I think philosophy forums go beyond what I would expect from a debate elsewhere. I don't expect a public/media debate to contain indepth analysis and ...
There does seem to be a definite moral undercurrent to History where events are given moral weight especially in terms of slavery, colonialisation, wo...
I have read quite a lot of "Mein Kampf" and like a lot of Hitler's writings it is quite contradictory. I am not sure peoples motives are that easy to ...
Well yeah. I feel that they are manipulating history to justify current ideology. (Politicians, moralists, ideologues and so on). I don't agree with h...
What I find frustrating is when someone gives the impression of having scored a point or having supported their argument because they have inserted a ...
Wikipedia gives a straightforward example of the fallacy of denying the antecedent. "If you are a ski instructor, then you have a job. You are not a s...
I think a lot hangs on valid arguments. If empirical facts are available they obviously need to inform premises. But also false conclusions should be ...
If something is going to call itself a debate then logical fallacies should be exposed and avoided. For example it is quite possible that someone coul...
I would agree there are emotional reasons for keeping ties with family. The pragmatism is in weighing up the costs and benefits. I suppose the emotion...
This is where I see human judgement as being influenced by emotion. I think utilitarianism suffers from its statistical analysis where the individual ...
It might be that you mistake a bush for a bear in the dark and have a surge of anxiety so the feeling is inappropriate because it was caused by a misj...
The problems is whether or not the quibbles or responses to a suggestion are rational. I suppose this is the dilemma of seeing whether a response is r...
I think the problem is intention. Apparently people have already been killed by self driving cars. But I think the problem is attributing a genuine in...
I will try this thanks because I suffer from this problem with crowded stores. Being philosophically minded I find I can over critique these methods w...
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