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Hah, it's not that simple but I confess I find the view persuasive.
February 07, 2018 at 14:33
Just give up like I did. It's easier than thinking about this kind of depressing stuff (although the thread title is a bit silly).
February 07, 2018 at 05:29
Similarly, the expansion of the universe was an unintended bit of behavior, but once they found it, it became a feature rather than a bug. ;-)
February 07, 2018 at 05:28
That seems false. Just take the Liar and it gives you a grounded truth value to start with (namely falsity). Of course, that value will entail the con...
February 07, 2018 at 05:09
Ah my mistake, I must have misread something during my last response. When I read this: I understood it as saying that "false" was not part of the sen...
February 07, 2018 at 05:07
I think all you're really doing is denying the possibility of self-reference, because the Liar is constructed within a semantically closed language un...
February 07, 2018 at 02:50
Isn't it just Tarski's undefinability theorem and why he advocated the metalanguage hierarchy? If the language has negation, self-reference and the di...
February 07, 2018 at 02:18
To be fair, I just enjoy reading about dialetheism because it gets at a lot of intuitions we take as plausible and shows that we have to either accept...
February 07, 2018 at 02:06
Well yea it's using the T-schema to pull out the Liar. If you think the unrestricted catch and release rules are correct, it entails a contradiction. ...
February 07, 2018 at 02:02
I'm confused, why are you substituting the value in for the self-reference? The liar isn't "False is false". Like the point of my "This sentence is tr...
February 07, 2018 at 01:58
Ugh, look I'm assuming this is a word salad because it reads as if it's trying too hard to be profound, but if I must: "Before becoming" it isn't a th...
February 07, 2018 at 01:51
Nope.
February 07, 2018 at 01:43
Michael said: My objection was that he was incorrect, because that's not how they were defined. I took the T-schema and so said that "True(x)" has the...
February 07, 2018 at 01:41
Ah so you were objecting to the T-schema, in which case my formulation of the argument for the paradox isn't available. I think Tarksi's hierarchy of ...
February 07, 2018 at 01:27
...Noted, but the problem is that if referring to its own interpretation were actually inherently problematic then the following ought to produce a si...
February 07, 2018 at 01:08
But truth (and falsity) is just another predicate, I don't see the principle difference between self-referring to that and self-referring to some othe...
February 07, 2018 at 01:03
It is the same thing, specifically asserting its own untruth (or if you want to go deeper, both versions of the paradox I gave make use of what Graham...
February 07, 2018 at 00:37
This title is great, lmao
February 06, 2018 at 19:56
Wouldn't it be better to say something like "The universe can be modeled by a mathematical or logical system"? Because reality and formal systems (or ...
February 06, 2018 at 19:54
Because it's the same type of paradox caused by the same feature. If a purported solution dissolves one version but not another it simply isn't a solu...
February 06, 2018 at 19:33
I didn't define x as contradictory, I took x and applied the T-schema to produce the Liar.
February 06, 2018 at 14:27
Just take the T-schema. 'x' is true just if it is the case that 'x'. So if you have some proposition as follows: ¬True(x) <=> x You get a liar. To exp...
February 06, 2018 at 14:20
How is it not in the realm of a deductive truth? It's taking bivalence and using it to derive a contradiction when applied to a certain kind of self-r...
February 06, 2018 at 13:52
@OP I just go with Dialetheism, personally. Also, there is no official position on the Liars. The only agreement among logicians seems to be that no o...
February 06, 2018 at 13:13
As @Pseudonym said, the OP just begs the question.
February 06, 2018 at 04:26
Show an error in reality. Computers have scores of errors all the time, and it's not really hard to find them. Where are the equivalent of crashes in ...
February 05, 2018 at 14:38
ironic since they never get married. ;)
February 03, 2018 at 22:59
What problem are you having with it?
February 02, 2018 at 13:47
I disagree with the silly argument made in the OP.
February 02, 2018 at 07:17
Yep, "min()" would definitely be conjunction then, since if the values of both conjuncts isn't 1, the conjunction comes out as false (as it should). S...
February 02, 2018 at 07:06
Huh? By accepting my math example you've already conceded the point. The concept of a contradiction does not require time. That doesn't mean no contra...
February 02, 2018 at 07:04
1) is just saying that the truth-value of the disjunction will be the largest number of the respective values of the disjuncts, I suppose. the "max()"...
February 02, 2018 at 06:55
That doesn't make sense. If, as you have said, that logic is fundamental to reality there is no possible situation where disjunction introduction is i...
February 01, 2018 at 19:08
Disjunction introduction is a valid rule of inference and it is not a valid rule of inference. That's a contradiction yet clearly it's not making refe...
February 01, 2018 at 02:15
It's not the referent of the sentence, it's the referent of a word (although that's a bit misleading since "black" or blackness aren't objects). An ob...
January 31, 2018 at 23:45
I really don't know how to get through to you. We know that in a certain sense, Newtonian physics is wrong (even if close enough to true below light s...
January 31, 2018 at 21:18
No, you are making a *reference* to the property of blackness, the *referent* of the sentence is the dog in question. Even if it turns out to be the c...
January 31, 2018 at 20:52
...What? This seems like an incoherent view. A property is some entity which can be predicated of an object, not objects themselves. In "My dog is bla...
January 31, 2018 at 19:16
Oh bullshit man. The current view of the nature of the universe, even just from the standpoint of physics, has radically changed since the 17th centur...
January 31, 2018 at 18:56
You'd have to be assuming that because otherwise there's no reason to suggest they do not exist when not perceived. If we know an object, O, exists wh...
January 31, 2018 at 18:52
Ok, no one is advocating the same sort of materialism as in the 17th century. There's a reason a few people have mentioned "physicalism". You are simp...
January 31, 2018 at 17:46
You're being too pedantic. Obviously questions aren't truth-apt, I was referring to the proposition to which your question was about: Objects either e...
January 31, 2018 at 17:38
Well I can raise a question about any old thing I want. Perhaps mathematical truths are only true when a conscious being considers their truth value. ...
January 31, 2018 at 16:00
A state isn't an object, it cannot be physical. If one equates brain states with consciousness, one is not saying a "state" is a physical thing nor do...
January 31, 2018 at 15:57
A "state" in this case can be understood as the way the world is, some particular arrangement that you pick out in a proposition or sentence or someth...
January 31, 2018 at 15:28
When you're doing logic, you're using these rules and axioms to derive other truths. That's what logical consequence is, no? Like, if I have "A & B" t...
January 31, 2018 at 15:21
I already answered this. Even if I assume time is relative in the way you suggest, the LNC forbids a proposition and its negation from being true in t...
January 31, 2018 at 15:17
From your OP I assumed you accepted that objects that we perceive exist. If that is the case, to give any reason to believe they do not exist when unp...
January 31, 2018 at 15:14
So you say, and yet the entire point of this view (non-reflexive logics and the referenced view in QM) is that it might be the case that you can have ...
January 31, 2018 at 14:46
One can construct a language (easily in fact) where equality is not part of the language, ergo identity isn't. Your forumlation of identity is incorre...
January 31, 2018 at 14:41