Pantagruel

I wasn't implying you had said, it was just an ongoing observation.

For certain things types of things, we can only really ever know the results of beliefs we are willing to test by embracing them fully.

Second Stage Lensmen (Lensman #5) by E.E. "Doc" Smith

Here's an example. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3281765#:~:text=First%2C%20AIs%20could%20display%20a,the%20doubt%E2%80%9D%20in%...

I think when you pursue the esoteric you are taking a risk. You risk being seen as an outsider by a certain subset of exoterically-content people. You...

Absolutely. A computer doesn't "decide" the meaning of a facial configuration. The only way a computer knows what is "happy" is if someone feeds it in...

Neural networks work through pattern identification basically. However there is always a known input, it is the responses to known inputs against whic...

I think that in the sense that practical logic is the foundation of more complex forms of reasoning, including mathematics, you could argue that numbe...

At what point does an advance become inherently good? For example, It has been shown that AI systems propagate the inherent biases of the developers w...

Yes. Even if it were only this, that would be enough. But the fact is, if you radically alter the nature of your being, the way that you live, you can...

I play devil's advocate for the esoteric because I believe that the goal of seeking to expand the understanding beyond the mundane can be a valid one....

With all due respect, I wouldn't know what to prove. What are you trying to do, establish an objective foundation for morality in order to eventually ...

I've studied ethics extensively and I think you are well off-base. I'll leave you to your musings.

Cool. I like to read contrasting theories, promotes a healthy mental dialectical balance. :cool:

It isn't a "narrow" view of morality Bob, it is the definition of morality. "a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one h...

I really admire his process philosophy, I think it meshes perfectly with systems philosophy. But PR has been in my library for over a decade, I got re...

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I think I agree too.

Are they not indeed? People who are the subject of systemic environmental and social disadvantage might disagree. Anger is a manifestation of our own ...

I wake up late and have to skip my breakfast and coffee. So I am edgy and aggravated. While running for my bus, someone beats me to it and takes the l...

:up: Stoicism should be taught to elementary school students. As said, it is really just an example of the problem with "reacting" versus "acting." An...

One can become angry, yet not allow anger to dictate or motivate one's responses. Becoming angry does not entail displaying anger. I guess anger could...

Anger can often be frustration at our own ability to come up with something better than anger.

:kiss: Anger can be legitimate and yet still unhelpful. It can be a source of strength, courage, and motivation, but only if effectively sublimated.

Discussions on the philosophy forum often deteriorate into angry exchanges. In those cases, anger is counter-productive to philosophy.

It just seems all extremely general and of almost unlimited scope. You may become angry because I argued for the legitimation of the concept of pathol...

Hmm. I don't think pathology is entirely a construct Jack. Organic systems have a baseline state of operation known as health. Broadly speaking, this ...

Well, a perspective can be objective. It can also take an object (intentionality) which is what I meant. An object of a perspective can be material or...

I think the normal - non-pathological - sense of anger is that it is provoked or evoked by something specific. If anger develops into a personality tr...

Anger is a negative response, hatred is the intentional cultivation and perpetuation of a negative response or characterization. That's the usual traj...

You are equivocating between the sense of an objective perspective and an objective thing. An objective is something intended and can be either a mate...

You cannot say that something is objective because it "refers to a body." Unicorn refers to a body in that sense too, but it is not objective, it is a...

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Can you elaborate on this evaluation? Why could a paradigm shift not be both?

:up: Yes, I was going to say the same, but I feel like I'm always rocking the boat. The nuances and ambiguities only give scope for discussion. That's...

Bob, morality is by definition, historical convention, and common sense related to human actions. Do you not see that by redefining morality in this w...

Ya no, I know. I just thought it was an interesting point because it also came up with respect to Heidegger not long ago.

I think that conflating human flaws and philosophical ideals is misleading. Some of the most interesting philosophy springs from the most flawed sourc...

Ah. So this is that sense of perfection that precludes objective existence. Like a perfect vacuum. Or a perfect circle. Really more of a Platonic idea...

I didn't think it was nonsensical, but wow, ok. So who has built one of these perfect Carnot machines in actuality?

Yes, as I said, if efficiency is your criterion of perfection. That is still a value judgement. You could replace the word "perfect" with efficient an...

The machine is accurate. Which means it does what it is designed to do with a very small margin of error. In what sense does this imply that the machi...

A little bit about my personal philosophy of understanding. My studies in cognitive science led me to believe that we don't steer our minds the way th...

Yeah, I don't get this at all. Anything human made is human value-laden. What you are saying makes less than no sense to me.

Actually, it is in relation to philosophy specifically, which covers a lot of ground. Including I think the general meaning of esotericity and esoteri...

Collingwood concurs with this. In Kant's identification of a reality we can "think but not know" he sees "the very essence of scientific dogmatism" - ...

:up: PoS is on my to-reread list. Unfortunately my already much re-read copy is falling apart. I'm thinking about duplicating my entire collection of ...

Yes, this sounds reminiscent of Derrida and Foucault.

I don't consider making a selection in a game to be reflective of acting in meaningful sense, more like playing a game. Life, by and large, isn't abou...

I think that "esoteric" is a concept that has historically covered a lot of ground, and has been subjected to a lot of abuse, both from within and wit...