Agustino

This is useless..... You clearly are committed to reading everything I say uncharitably. That's not a nice thing what I just said about you, by the wa...

I say the five senses are outdated as a way of speaking of the entire sensory apparatus of man, and you quote me a definition of the sense of touch - ...

No we weren't, because the five senses are outdated and definitely not "present definitions".

However things are quite clear that the sense of touch was the ancient man's approximation for the entire functionality of the nervous system (he was ...

The nervous system is one entire thing with multiple functions - so yes, it's not part of that part because you've just classified it into two parts b...

Do you also agree with this? :-} The sense of touch is part of the nervous system.

So Terrapin, do you finally agree with:

Seriously it takes 2 pages to get you to agree to a simple truth.... That's why this discussion is moving so slowly.

Are you stupid Terrapin? You're again pretending you don't understand the point. You were wrong that senses cannot be directed towards internal object...

Sure - but you have to agree that the five senses are an old distinction which doesn't actually have much practical value today, since we have a lot m...

You might have finally said something true ;) But funnily enough you yourself pretend you can't understand what I'm trying to say, and hiding behind l...

No dispute here. However, traditionally the five senses are all our senses - so when I speak of the five senses, I speak with this connotation. Terrap...

Right - did you have a look at the Wiki article I posted? What is popularly known as the "sense of touch" is part of the nervous system of the body.

Yes, but fundamentally they are one and the same, and it's important to realise this. The distinction is otherwise arbitrary. The five senses distinct...

I'm playing stupid? You're the one who denies that the sense of touch is part and parcel of the nervous system.

Asinus... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatosensory_system

:-} I am in my homeland already

They were saying the same about Pacquiao.

If you have a hand or foot paralysed, you cannot feel with it. Why not?

Mayweather. He wouldn't fight if he didn't know he'd win, simple as that. That's an advantage of arranging your own fights.

:-d What's your point?

Well I certainly am, because I claim that the West has for a long time sought to intervene in the politics and domestic affairs of many Eastern nation...

Also I'm very surprised you bring the "liberals" into discussion, there was no question of liberals here, but rather Western political intervention in...

Your nervous system is your sense of touch.

:s There's no crap, that's the history, read it for yourself if you don't believe me. Why do you think Russia is so much anti-West? For no reason? :s

How do you then perceive a stomach ache? Via your thoughts? :s :-}

You've said that you perceive external objects via your senses correct? At the same time you can also perceive internal aspects via your senses, true?...

Sure, but by rendering the word unavailable, you literarily force me to invent a new word :s - which is quite strange if you ask me. We should be spea...

The point I'm really trying to drive at is that you obscure the relevance of the intellect/mind vis-a-vis perception by redefining perception as you w...

I'd say that we become aware of objects via our senses of them, but our senses aren't mental. Our awareness/consciousness of them is mental, and the m...

That's still problematic because I wouldn't say trees are mental phenomena, and yet they are perceived via the 5 senses.

What word shall I then use to point to the commonality I have specified above? Should I invent a new word?

Ahh I see - well that's the commonality I was pointing to by that:

Quote me where I asked this. As far as I remember I asked this: So that above is a strawman. I was told in my school that I perceive thoughts using my...

Yes, I did learn about the five senses. What about them are you inquiring?

I've asked you to explain to me how you draw those distinctions - I don't see what my own position has to do with your explanation. Yes, in my school ...

That's an ad hoc definition. What the hell is external information, and why isn't your minds capacity to perceive thoughts another sense, just like yo...

There's these things I'm conscious of that I call sights. There's these things I'm conscious of that I call smells. There's this thing I'm conscious o...

So perception is used in your experience in a different way than it is used in the dictionary?! Submit a request to amend the dictionary definition th...

Why did you define it that way? Do you want me to start defining common words in uncommon ways?! :s Your definition is fucking ad hoc, that's a proble...

LOL. So have you just defined thoughts to be internal and the five senses to be external in that ad hoc manner out of your own fiat? Because my dictio...

Okay right - so external is anything perceived by the five senses, and presumably internal is everything that is perceived via other means than the fi...

Can you have thoughts that you don't perceive? And if thoughts are something that my brain does, will I see them if I open up my brain with my percept...

Even your internal/external distinction with regards to thoughts is very problematic. By what criteria for example would you distinguish internal thou...

The reason I'm asking you these questions is because it appears that the distinctions you draw are somewhat arbitrary. For example, you define natural...

So Joe has the limited ability to alter some existing matter, by for example spilling ink on the paper. That's natural control to you. So then alterin...

Good. Next I have to ask you: What does "supernatural" mean? Is the fact of the mere existence of the natural world a supernatural fact? And what does...

Okay, we will move on if that's all you were saying. So you agree that your terms don't imply that God is purely external of you, correct?

No, it's absolutely not, because theism isn't pantheism. But the fact that God is both external and internal is true. For example, St. Augustine write...

I will take independent to mean separate from you. Well granted that theism generally holds that God sustains everything in existence at all moments, ...