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Yes...but the 'words' are contingent on 'directing action' i.e.'transitional states' not permanence. They function as 'nodes of relative persistence'....
June 15, 2019 at 05:11
Well buddy, you've forgotten one thing, every theory need a 'theoretician' to function...maybe even the same one who might theorize that 'existence is...
June 14, 2019 at 19:03
No it doesn't. Even 'time' had no 'existence' prior to that human concept of 'an event'.
June 14, 2019 at 18:44
....and prior to that human concept we call 'The Big Bang' ?....
June 14, 2019 at 18:23
I agree that 'phenomenological' and 'experiential' are synonymous in this case. (The 'rock' example is irrelevant unless you are claiming that 'sense ...
June 14, 2019 at 13:03
BTW ' A direct approach' would be pretty useless to a post-modernist like Derrida, who would argue that even the author himself would later put a diff...
June 14, 2019 at 11:16
Yes, I think the criticism could certainly be expected from 'turkeys being asked to vote for Christmas' !
June 14, 2019 at 10:58
Okay, but you did use the phrase 'non negotiable' somewhere above (I think) Please scan the links I have provided above, together with the Von Glasers...
June 14, 2019 at 08:51
I hesitate in 'elaborating' if you have not read up on Maturana yourself. I appreciate he is 'difficult' and that you would certainly have a problem w...
June 14, 2019 at 08:22
The short answer is 'yes', except that 'languaging' (Maturana) always has an 'organizational function'...there are no 'neutral descriptions' as such.
June 14, 2019 at 07:48
'Words' can be thought of as any repetitive behavioral gesture used to facilitate 'structural coupling' between individuals, or to internally resolve ...
June 14, 2019 at 07:31
I suggest you investigate that word 'understand'. also There is no logical restriction on 'words' being confined to a phonetic or graphemic domain.
June 14, 2019 at 07:15
...slightly more digestible... https://www.rug.nl/research/portal/files/3192504/thesis.pdf
June 14, 2019 at 07:02
If only some of you guys had read Maturana, who deflates 'thinking' as an epihenomenon of 'languaging' which is a behavior applicable to some animals,...
June 14, 2019 at 06:32
I'm not sure how you can extricate ontology from epistemolog, other than as an epiphenomon of taking an absolutist stance.
June 13, 2019 at 07:00
I agree its usage varies non philosophically, but I maintain that what those significant occurences have in common are 'a dispututed exstence' context...
June 13, 2019 at 06:44
The way 'things are' depends on our conception of 'things' and our conception of the duration of 'are'. Other species with different physiologies and ...
June 13, 2019 at 05:55
You've just named them, so you've answered your own question ! I regret, I cannot philosophically commune with the idea of an 'observer independent wo...
June 12, 2019 at 21:08
No. Nowhere have I said that internal dialogue wasn't linguistic. (I can even recall what I say to myself when playing Bach..'question then answer'......
June 12, 2019 at 20:38
Yes of course it is, but it's spasmodic with respect to a largely automatic activity like painting. Indeed much of the 'thinking' during such activiti...
June 12, 2019 at 20:16
No.Your report of that activity certainly involves language, but that activity seems to largely automatic puntuated by occasional internal dialogue. (...
June 12, 2019 at 19:58
Yes. We obviously unconsciously 'engage with our environment' as well, just like other non verbal species.
June 12, 2019 at 19:22
I can't see it can be otherwise since all 'thinking' is done via a socially acquired language. (I would include the metalanguage of mathematics in tha...
June 12, 2019 at 18:58
Terrapin, Look at the first para of that post. I used the phrase 'relationship ...with humans'. I apologise if 'human relationships' implies a differe...
June 12, 2019 at 17:45
We are arguing from very different positions. I look at your posts as trying to justify the 'eternal, and absolute' aspects of 'existence of God', whi...
June 12, 2019 at 17:37
Ah...the 'have the cake and eat it' issue is based on the static set membership of classical logic with its 'law of the excluded middle'. But dynamic ...
June 12, 2019 at 16:58
I suggest no problem. The OLP situations I raise are ephemeral context bound episodes. The post structuralist view recognizes that transience and seek...
June 12, 2019 at 16:01
OLP ?
June 12, 2019 at 15:38
Of course believers would not admit to the 'utility' argument, anymore than a naive realist would admit it equally applying to 'the existence of trees...
June 12, 2019 at 15:15
Is it not obvious that it supports my 'human relationship' comments above ?
June 12, 2019 at 13:36
To all discussing 'relative existence' as founded on 'relationship', I would say that the only relationship worth thinking about is 'with humans'. Tak...
June 12, 2019 at 12:42
Sorry ...that should have been addressed to EricH. As far as Heidegger is concerned I think 'clarity' is problematic when the work is considered in is...
June 12, 2019 at 12:16
...then explain why the word 'existence' was coined in the first place. Surely it can only function in the context of disputes, which is where I claim...
June 12, 2019 at 09:46
Perhaps I should specify normal situational dispute.
June 12, 2019 at 08:41
Have you mentioned any other dispute...electrons...global warming.. etc ? If not we are talking past each other.
June 12, 2019 at 08:35
No...I said disputes like 'existence of God'. But certainly unless you refer to existential disputes, Iwould say you have missed my point.
June 12, 2019 at 08:28
Once again, I will attempt to emphasize that the word 'existence' matters only in particular contexts like disputes about 'existence of God' . It is m...
June 12, 2019 at 08:11
To Arne. Unfortunately your request for 'plain language' begs a multitude of questions about language describing language. This is why philosophers li...
June 12, 2019 at 06:58
For me, the import of this discussion is that I assert 'existence' to be on the same level of every other concept which humans denote by a socially ac...
June 12, 2019 at 05:52
Good post ! If you are following my 'Existence is relative' thread, you may find we have some common ground.
June 11, 2019 at 20:50
Its not a question of 'belief'. Its a fundamental later phenomenological pov which follows Kant's non accessibility of noumena and therefore discards ...
June 11, 2019 at 20:34
Then the mistake, imo, is that we can escape from the domain of 'language' at all. As 'thinkers' all we have is 'language', whose nonrepresentational ...
June 11, 2019 at 15:20
Thankyou for enlightening me about the contextual usage of the word 'splonk' which I thought I had invented ! (Actually, many verbal jokes rely on sud...
June 11, 2019 at 07:03
Thankyou all for many examples of what I think Witt might call 'language on holiday' ! The central point which I think is being missed is how is the w...
June 11, 2019 at 05:53
I understand 'antirealism' to mean that it useless to talk about the term 'reality' except in cases where consensenus is being sought as to 'what is t...
June 10, 2019 at 18:18
Of course ! The concept of the 'Big Bang' immediately raises my potential interaction with at least the literature on the subject, and related concept...
June 10, 2019 at 16:58
I did answer your point by asserting that only 'philosophers' tend to talk about 'a tree's existence' (period). Merdwurdichliebe is correct in saying ...
June 10, 2019 at 13:58
To Terrapin, All CONVERSATION is by definition, is not solipsistic, and involves the needs of language users (aka 'us') The fact that humans can opera...
June 10, 2019 at 06:13
But you are missing the point..we DONT NORMALLY talk about 'the existence of trees'! Thats what I call 'seminaritis' or what Wittgenstein might have c...
June 10, 2019 at 05:51
The problem for me here is that you keep refering to 'existence' as a noun. The observer does not 'recognize existence'....it expects/predicts the nat...
June 09, 2019 at 17:43