Sam26

How did you come to that conclusion? I said, we don't know what Jesus actually said, because the testimonial evidence is too weak.

I'll refrain from expressing my attitudes or feelings about Christianity, but I don't always succeed. I came from a Christian background, and consider...

What link?

I agree, if there wasn't some outward manifestation of the mental, then what would a mental life entail? Even if we exclude language, what's mental wo...

You seem to be suggesting that you can't create a bowl without a language. I'm sure that pre-linguistic man created bowls of some sort, or maybe you'r...

Obviously linguistics played a part in the stove's creation, but the fact that stove exists, is just like any other fact of existence for the cat, and...

Ya, I'm not saying language can't be precise, only that some concepts resist precision. So, we agree. I agree, that a non-linguistic belief is not dep...

That's painful :gasp:

I'm through for the night. Maybe I'll be back tomorrow, not sure.

Who would say the W. spurned logic? I surely never said such a thing.

“The criteria which we accept for ‘fitting’, ‘being able to’, ‘understanding’, are much more complicated than might appear at first sight. That is, th...

I'm currently reading a paper entitled, A Wittgensteinian Way with Paradoxes by Rupert Read. I'm interested in whether anything he says applies to wha...

I definitely don't see the liar's paradox as the same as saying, "Look I can move the king more than one space." Although I do use this technique in c...

Your notion of a fact is a bit different from mine. I talked about facts in my summary of truth a few pages back.

Ya, they're all sensory experiences. You're not saying it's all subjective are you?

What's all perception? Are you referring to what we mean by truth? Sorry, I haven't read everything in the last three pages.

We just are never going to get the kind of precision out of language that some philosophers want. It's like an itch that won't go away.

I'm not sure I understand your point. If you're saying there are other ways of gaining knowledge besides science, I definitely agree. I definitely agr...

No, I will not take your point in the way you seem to be making it. It depends on what Wittgenstein is talking about. You do not see the use of logic ...

But, one of the points in the PI is that language is not always precise. Sometimes being vague is just what we need. So, he's not always trying to be ...

Wittgenstein's logic of use in his later philosophy is much different from his early philosophy. I don't think it's as precisely used. The logic of la...

You probably have a point, so I'll just substitute another more exact measuring device to make the point, i.e., the point of the post still stands. I ...

I agree, but I wonder about the above statement. It probably depends on how we're using the concepts approximation and exact, i.e., whether we are tal...

I think the problem lies in the vagaries of language, and trying to fit language into a very precise medium, like mathematical logic. Logic is a guide...

My point is simply that he feels he needs to address the liar paradox, viz., that our everyday language is insufficient. They're irrelevant to our soc...

I haven't spent much time on his works. I've mostly been reading secondary sources, and even there, it's sporadic. My main point, is that it doesn't h...

My point was, that it doesn't help us understand the meaning of truth in the object language. The object language is fine without it. It just adds a l...

From what I've read, it's Tarski, in "On the Concept of Truth in Formal Languages" (1935), where he's trying to resolve the liar paradox. Also, in the...

Thanks.

Yes.

I think we generally agree, with some differences. I have to calm my mind down before bed or I'll be thinking about this stuff into the early morning ...

It really gets back to Wittgenstein (unbelievable, I know), how do we learn to use concepts? I'm saying, if you want to understand what truth is, then...

Yes, the concept cat is meaningless beyond our social linguistic uses. I agree. The use of the concept fact goes beyond the linguistic.

Agreed.

I think if you were to analyze the uses of truth in social settings it would be more in line, generally, with a kind of correspondence. Would you agre...

My guess is that Tarski is basing his theory on false premises. For example, the liars paradox.

Yes, to say the least.

I would disagree. I don't see that as helping people to understand the concept truth.

T-sentences, in my view, do nothing to help people understand how truth is used in social settings. All it does is attempt to define truth in a settin...

I agree.

I think my view is a bit more nuanced than your interpretation. I don't subscribe to any "picture theory of language." I don't like any of these theor...

I agree.

"How would you say a proposition corresponds to a truthmaker? Where do we look to see this relation?" "I think you're making things far too complicate...

Good job mate, and a good read. Yes, I read it, including the replies. We have our differences, but I admire the effort.

To answer this specific question, "What Does it Mean, Philosophically, to Argue that God Does or Does Not Exist?" Very basically, it boils down to, do...

What is truth? What we mean by our concepts, in this case truth, is a function of how we use concepts in our “forms of life,” that is, it is a linguis...

That's pretty close to what I've written, but haven't posted. I guess I should just post and get it over with.

The invitation is open, especially to those who participated in the discussion, and even those who didn't participate. It's a wide open invitation. Li...

Anyone who wants to reply.

I'll wait until everyone gives their version before I reply. Some of you participated in the discussion much more than I did, so I'll wait to see if a...