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To put it another way, What is perceived is not what is actually perceived but only what is perceived to be perceived. but not even that, it is only w...

The thing about extra-judicial killings is that they are not murders such as you and I might commit, but acts of the law-making state, exempting itsel...

Well they didn't make shoes or headscarves. I think it's pretty clear what they were covering if not why. But it's not my main point at the moment. Ra...

Well this is my suggested starting point, aligned with the story of the fall and thus the divine law source, for an investigation of the philosophy of...

Cheers. It's been hard work at times, but it's been an education.

Gratuitous? What do you mean by that? Undeserved, yes, and in any particular instance accidental (or not), but in general, (the possibility of) suffer...

For God, nothing. For the fawn, perhaps you can do something I like to call 'minimising the pain'. 'God' is a term I find necessary to philosophy, and...

No.

I don't speak for God. One doesn't need a concept. The fawn suffers. You and I see the fawn, or just imagine the fawn and we suffer vicariously, and t...

So to flesh it out just a little, the idea is that one has a world view, that is fairly stable - fire burns, shit smells, Trump is an idiot. I am a ph...

No. I'm saying that to value something is to be vulnerable to suffering. To value nothing is to be indifferent to suffering. Only a sado-masochist val...

But you see value in the faun. Do you think there can be a faun that does not grow old and die, or dies young? Is not the fragility of the faun, the v...

This! The working class used to be something to identify with/as. Real men with real jobs, salt of the earth, aspirational, and wielding a collective ...

No, I don't think I will.

Yeah but no but. N Ireland has to vote for unification, but that becomes possible with Brexit together with the change in demographics. The rest of th...

There are plenty of people who believe in extra-judicial killings, enhanced interrogation, etc. They believe injustice is right. But if you read the p...

We argue it out. But I am only going to argue it out with people who will accept that if the law is wrong then it needs changing, because if we don't ...

Consider the case of the law about which side of the road to drive on. In this case the 'correct' side is arbitrary but definite and varies from place...

No. She does not say that. She says that if the law is wrong then the man is innocent and it is wrong to say that he is not innocent. And you are wron...

Hold on to that thought: - The law can be wrong. And an example of a law that was wrong was the law against homosexuality. So if the law is wrong and ...

I have no umbrage to offer, I simply do not know how to talk to people about innocent bad people.

If you do not see the madness of your post, then I cannot help you. Seriously, you amply demonstrate why Anscombe will not argue. My work here is done...

I don't. A system of justice is an institution that decides guilt and innocence. So if we had convinced ourselves that homosexuality was wrong then th...

We'd have to take that to the Trump thread and I don't have the stomach for it. I do have a long-winded explanation, but it's way off topic. No one is...

You cannot be serious! Do you think Trump has any regard for divine law at all? Adultery, false witness, covetousness, are not merely committed but bo...

Yes we do. This is going a bit off topic, but the importance is large. The generation that lived through the holocaust and WW2 is almost gone, and the...

History. You don't have to agree with Anscombe, and nor do I. Her argument though is that moral oughts only make sense in that context. Rather like mo...

Yes. And given the phenomena of such made up stuff, one can philosophise. But a philosophy that makes up the phenomena - no that's not philosophy. Aga...

I have many times pointed out here how the same people that applaud Hume's ought/is distinction object rather strongly to his will-be/has been one. An...

No it doesn't. That's impossible. Philosophy has to be about something. Making shit up is called 'fiction'.

But there is no problem. Moral philosophy depends on morals, not the other way round.

Everybody's perfect.

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I don't know what to say really. To paraphrase A : moral philosophy is in a state because bla bla bla and all this other stuff needs to be sorted out ...

You are smarter than this. I won't answer the ridiculous.

Exactly. There is no point. I am a vegetarian; the benefits of eating meat don't apply. I think it's like saying let's not discuss morality right now....

I really don't understand your argument. You seem to be declaring what we do and then complaining that we're not doing it. I'm saying that Anscombe is...

Well indeed. So they remain unsupported. You of course are perfectly entitled to seek to provide support or lament the lack of support. I merely point...

Your relativism renders the discussion meaningless. I will not argue with it.

If I have a corrupt mind, I will have corrupt ethics and make corrupt calculations. This much must surely be accounted for, as one has ample evidence ...

There is something towards the end of the piece that is not articulated. If I dare to try and make it explicit, I may be wrong and I may fail, so bite...

Yes, I thought I had conceded the point, but yes i pushed that line further than was justifiable. I fear that art has become a religion along with foo...

I have a neat solution to this; look first, read afterwards if you like what you see. Perhaps the artist is also interesting when he writes and perhap...

I don't like to do things people hate, if possible. But of all the problems with the sort of conceptual art that seems to do the circuit of European p...

So I can talk about art as long as I am not talking about my own art, or as long as I am not presenting art, or something? Seems a bit arbitrary. I wo...

Never mind.

Well "Art should speak for itself" certainly seems like an ideological/philosophical position that an artist might take or might not take. Your post c...

Isn't that an artist's statement?

For lo, it is written in The Jungle Book, that Mowgli shall learn the courage of the tiger, the loyalty of the wolf, the cunning of the snake, the soc...

Hesitate to interrupt, but on the why a need for a philosophy of psychology: Hume was the empirical psychologist. But these days, a modern empiricist ...