This is something we need to try and make sense of. In order to do so, I think we need to go back to the problem of the greatest good and the greatest...
Trumpsters have a lot of practice inventing "alternative facts". Trump feeds off their resentment and has convinced them that when he complains that h...
The speech of the laws should be compared to what Socrates says in the Apology: (29c) (37d) Whatever allegiance he might have to the city, when it com...
Right. Anyone or anything that does not support Trump and his claims cannot be trusted. That had already been done. He knew that but did not like that...
Good point. The law says: (50d) The question of paternity and paternalism becomes even more evident in the West translation when later in the same spe...
It makes no difference whether he meant find votes that can be discarded as illegal. There was not and is not evidence they exist. He was repeatedly t...
The laws ask: (50b) Would it be that there would be no city or would it become a different city, one with laws without their just enactment, or a city...
(51b) Earlier Socrates said that: (49c) How much weight should we put on “presumably”? (West translates this as "surely") Is the presumption wrong? He...
It is interesting that you mention Thomas Paine. On the one hand Socrates might have regarded him as someone whose opinions in general should be consi...
Your clumsy rhetorical tactics may appeal to your fellow Trumpsters, but have no persuasive power. Accuse the other guy of doing what you are doing. E...
And yet based on the evidence presented the court concluded there was sexual assault. Many people did not find this at all surprising since he bragged...
Are you claiming that sexual assault is not wrongdoing? Whatever else you think counts as wrongdoing does not erase the wrongdoing he did. Typical chi...
The jury found in her favor. He sexually assaulted her. He was not found guilty because it was not a criminal case, not because no crime had been comm...
You really should attempt to know the facts before making such claims. It was a civil trial not a criminal trial. Whether or not he showed up for the ...
(50e) This is straight out of Aristophanes' Clouds, where Pheidippides beats his father Strepsiades. (1330) Here persuasion and coercion are comically...
Someone does seem to be confused. Taking things out of context can often lead to confusion. But this thread is not the place to discuss Descartes. To ...
The point is, it does not reach into the issue of consciousness itself. What is at issue here is not what is at issue for Descartes. The point is, it ...
The distinction between regimes raises problems for Socrates' song. The city and laws ask: (50b) The key phrase here is "just enactment". Here he igno...
Although it makes no sense to say that I am in pain but I do not know it or I am not conscious that I am in pain, that I do not know that I am in pain...
The Greek term ?????, from which we get the term 'norm', means custom, law, and also song (?????). Socrates sings the song of the law. A nomos nomos, ...
For those interested in where, Socrates presents this image in the Republic 488a in support of his argument that the philosophers should rule. For the...
(45d) This should be compared to what, in Socrates words, the city claims regarding education and rearing. It may seem like a minor point but it has d...
One knows from the other's behavior that they are in pain. Wittgenstein included PI 293 about the beetle in the box to point out that: (293) When I us...
It bears repeating and underlying. It will come up again. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the fate of philosophy then and now relies on kn...
But given what has happened to Socrates, he should be. Crito makes this point: (44d) Socrates' concerns lie elsewhere: @"frank" Perhaps we can see her...
He accepts Socrates' speech on behalf of the city without question. But it does raise questions. Note Crito's response. He does have some capacity for...
Speaking on behalf of the city Socrates raises the problem of the relationship between the city and the family as well. I will hold off saying more un...
The irony refers to the consequences of your interpretation. I read the following: as a statement of fact. As we normally use the word "know" it does ...
For much of the dialogue he speaks on behalf of the city and its laws. He simply accepts these arguments. This is uncharacteristic. Taking the part of...
The baby has been crying nonstop. Her fists are clenched, she cannot settle down, her breathing is not normal, and her facial expression is the same a...
I think the Horan translation might be a better choice for the discussion, but you might find West's translation and notes worth reading and having. I...
Perhaps you know that the name Crito comes from the Greek meaning "discern" or "judge". (This is noted in West's translation.) . I prefer the West tra...
I may use language to refer to pain, but neither the experience of pain nor the expression of pain depend on language. Pain and the word "pain" are no...
As you say, either I am in pain or not, but whether it is the one or the other does not depend on language. If it were something that I can 'know' the...
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