Isaac

Is it? I don't see that. A duck and a rabbit are two different sets of cells/organs. No one claims to see a duck where others see a rabbit (in real 3d...

Why? Why can a dress not be two different colours at the same time?

Yep. I'm not asking about dresses which are part red and part blue. I'm asking about dresses which are both all red and all blue.

... I'm asking for support for the above assertion.

So you keep saying, but you've not given any account of why a dress cannot be both a red dress and a blue dress.

Again this is a mistake made by confusing desert with outcomes. You've argued that innocents deserve more benefits than they get. Procreation therefor...

No. Why are you asking these questions? A sensation is the response from a sensor. My sensations might be electrical stimuli in my retinal ganglia, or...

Right. But how does that make it that the dress must be one or the other?

I've just answered that question. No. I don't think a sensation need be a mental state. I think a computer's response to a sensor could reasonably be ...

Yes. Here it means "a bit of the argument I've left out because it undermines my conclusion". If your conclusion relies on all other things being equa...

But why can't a dress be two different colours at the same time?

Why not?

I'm directly quoting you. You said... You then said... It doesn't entail such a thing because you've merely show that the situation is 'bad' (direct q...

Why not? I don't understand why you're invoking this rule that a hidden state has to have the same effect on all people at all times. Where does that ...

Why? Why must the property of the external state we're labelling as 'green' be such that it causes the same response in all people at all times? Then ...

Yep. Nope. Just because something is bad, does not imply anyone has a duty to avoid creating situations in which it can happen. There's no precedent f...

Yes. Blue being the name given to the property we're seeing. The property of the external hidden state. But we clearly aren't referring to the propert...

Maybe. I know some people feel that way, but I don't think the feeling is as universal as feeling that innocents do not deserve harm. Some people have...

Possibly. I think it's moot. It wouldn't be incoherent to say that a computer sensor is receiving a 'sensation'. It's called a 'sensor' after all.

Where have I disagreed with that proposition? Yep. How so? Acts of procreation create circumstances in which innocents might come to harm. Your first ...

It's the sense I have that, for example, the chair I'm sat on is made of solid material.

Where have I claimed anything like that?

Same hidden state causes one person to respond in the way we call 'seeing blue' and another person to respond in the way we call 'seeing red'. It is a...

Yep. But it sees the prey. Not the representation.

We have a sensation of externality. We have a sensation of materialness. We have a sensation of mind-independance. We have a sensation of persistence....

No. I'm denying that they're what we 'see'. They're part of 'seeing', they're not what we see.

One has green as a property of some mental representation, the other as a property of the hidden state. The former is without warrant.

Yeah. Look at the words. I was quite careful.

Uh huh. But we don't 'see' the electrical signals. We see the external world object. 'Seeing' involves those electrical signals, they're part of the p...

An impossible situation from the outset. Hidden states cannot cause us to see colours. There's no mechanism by which that can happen. Seeing a colour ...

You're just naming parts of the optic system. Your claim was that they give us reason to believe that a spider's brain is receiving a representation o...

Not at all. If I think the person in the doorway is called Jim and you think he's called Jack, we're still both referring to the same person. That doe...

Does it? In what way?

The colour of hidden state X. Why? Why must hidden state X have a colour such that it causes the same response in you as it does in me? In this case, ...

Well. We know quite a lot about how the brain creates a holistic experience out of that. Not a complete picture. I'm not sure what your point is.

Hidden states cause effects in us. Them being hidden refers to their being outside of the Markov blanket, not to their having no effect. So you distin...

The properties of hidden states. Why not? Then how did we learn to use the words? If they describe private experiences, how is it I ever learnt their ...

Herein is the problem. There's no reason at all to consider the existence of red2. We respond to red1. We reach for the word 'red', we imagine other t...

Yes, I think pretty much sums up the state of the arguments. He's resorted to talking about pixies.

But we can't just see them as teacups because our culture drinks tea. Why don't I see the table as a teacup? There must be some properties that partic...

Then how did you learn how to use the word 'desert' as you use it in the OP?

Weird. You've never heard people use the word 'desert' in contexts like "that murderer's death was his just desert"? What an odd community you must ha...

Something's turning out to be as I expected it to be using some theory and others in my community seeming to have the same experience is a pretty good...

You can't 'see' presentness either. So being able to 'see' that which is assumed doesn't seem to distinguish the two propositions.

Interesting. Have you read Anscombe on what we 'ought' to do? I'm somewhat persuaded by a bastardised version of her argument. 'Deserve' is just a wor...

So why would those patterns emerge variable? What causes the variance? I don't see how. I'm saying that 'green' is a property of a hidden state which ...

How can there be any pattern of relationship (continually changing or not) without intrinsic properties? If the hidden states are absent of any proper...

What I'm claiming is that when we partake in our naming practices, what we're naming are hidden states. We name them by a complex, interactive and col...

Here...? I don't see it. I don't know of anyone who seriously talks about the redness of their experiences. Post boxes are red, roses are red, traffic...

Does that imply homogeneity of the external world? If so, then what causes the heterogeneity we experience?