This is the matter that I'm taking issue with though. Not with pragmatism in the 'doing the washing up' sense, but with pragmatism of the 'how can we ...
Why must 'subjective' and 'objective' mean only one thing each? Surely if we're talking about the terms in ordinary language then we would fully expec...
Yes, but I think hinge propositions apply here too. Like the 'discussion' we had with Jake, at some point in the questioning one has to simply accept ...
Really? Why do you think it's 'sketchy' the London Marathon is run by a few thousand people each year, I think it's pretty safe to say they all at lea...
You are making some very strange assertions which seem completely unrelated to the point at hand. We are discussing the meaning of signs, yes? Signs i...
Hopefully not treading on anyone's toes here because I think this might be the point @"Terrapin Station" was heading towards, but an analogy might be ...
I didn't say the intent would change or go away, I said the meaning would no longer be related to it. The intent of the law-makers might have been to ...
Right, so if 'the community' dynamically evolve a standard which differs from that of the people who created or instigated the lights, then that is wh...
Well, by my definition of 'fact' it would, yes, but that's not what the OP appears to be talking about. They appear to be defining 'fact' rather idios...
Yes, I most commonly come across that as a pejorative response to a claim which is intended to carry some weight. "Shakespeare is a brilliant writer" ...
I see. I misunderstood your approach as claiming there to be some metaphysical, or ontological significance to the term. If you're just trying to make...
What does it mean then? More confusing than assuming they don't? If some claims do have an implied "in my opinion" why would you treat them all as if ...
I don't disagree with that at all. I'm not saying that truth is intersubjectively confirmed, only that it becomes difficult to talk about truth, in th...
This is very salient, I think, but perhaps I could add this to my list of problems which dissolve if we don't get too tangled in the form of an expres...
Yes, that's the point. Why get tangled in what the language is constructed like? This is classic Wittgenstein, we are impressed by the shape of the gr...
Fair enough. To answer your first question, the part I took issue with specifically was "being true does not imply being believed". Obviously, as we h...
Truth can instrumentally be collective belief. Personally I don't need any more than that. It is true that bishops move diagonally in chess is entirel...
Basically, you answered your own question. I felt that the distinction as Banno originally described it was too mutually exclusive when, as you point ...
Yes, but how does their setting up a standard and legally enforcing it make it 'mean'? What word would be left to describe the rules of an urban race ...
Exactly. I was preempting what the discussion eventually became about, which is that the OP already had in mind a definition of 'fact' which determine...
Apologies for lowering the tone, but on the subject of subjective truth, I was reminded of a John finnemore joke. "I see you've brought your ridiculou...
I don't see the authority law has to determine its meaning. The amber light means what it means to the community of light-users. I don't see how the i...
I don't see intent having such a leading role. Imagine a sign actually being made and put in place. Who really intends for the pointy end to point to ...
The question was rhetorical (I seem to be having an inordinate amount of trouble making my posts understood on this thread), but your answer is pretty...
I think this is a classic example of a philosophical problem which dissolves when one looks closely at the language. If one say "anchovies are disgust...
Yes, that's a much clearer example. I was going to focus on mathematics, but the reality there is contentious, so I ditched that as an example. Money ...
Yes, we are agreed on that. I think I would go as far as to say this renders subjective truth meaningless, in that it would only ever refer to a categ...
It matters because you're defining truth with it, and yet you do not know it. Truth is a word we use, if it only refers to that which we cannot know i...
My contention, to lay it out as clearly as possible, is that we can only be said to hold a belief which is not true if 'true' refers to some state of ...
So if I started using the word 'cat' to mean 'a flat surface for writing on' it would become 'true' that 'cat' means 'a flat surface for writing on'? ...
That's not the point at all. Is it true that the word 'cat' refers to members of the feline genus? Is it true that the word 'book' refers to some boun...
You said that truth and belief must be two separate things because it is possible to believe something which is untrue, right? I'm arguing that this o...
Where did I suggest such a thing? I haven't even mentioned mats. I spoke only about the meaning of the word 'cat'. The thing 'cat' (or 'chat') refers ...
But how does anyone tell if it is stated sincerely. Equating a sincere statement about one's own preference with objective truth, assumes one invariab...
What? Are you suggesting that the word 'cat' refers to the creature it does because "the cat is on the mat"? I don't even understand what that could m...
Right, so if you don't take a position seriously because of your opinion of it, then it's OK to not try and understand it from its own presuppositions...
Yes. That the word 'cat' refers to the feline genus is an objective fact (it is not my opinion). But it is only the case because it is believed to be ...
Intended by whom? Not the signpost maker, he will have simply presumed, made a sign with a pointy end and pointed it at Dublin, because that's what on...
All that you've proven there is that individual belief is not truth (ie that it is possible for at least some belief to contradict truth). You haven't...
When religious people seek answers, they turn to their holy book. - and reason which they use to understand the meaning of the words there and how the...
As I said, I wouldn't want to suggest a mutually exclusive boundary between published and unpublished works, nor between earlier and later works, nor ...
Absolutely. I would hesitate also to glean too much from a book the author themselves later rejected some conclusions from. Yes, but the vast majority...
For fuck's sake. You think there have been no substantive, valid, counter arguments presented. Other people think their counter arguments are substant...
And you have used the word 'memory' does that mean we're talking about memory now? The topic is objective truth, your claim is that all truth is objec...
All of your arguments hinge on your idiosyncratic definition of infinite. It is obvious to any moderately intelligent reader and your denial is dising...
My post was supposed to be an answer to the question. If I asked you "which is better at golf - mathematics or the capital of Spain", you could not an...
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