For Christ's sake, stop answering everything by telling me what you didn't mean, it's not a fucking guessing game. If you didn't mean the thing I inte...
Yes, obviously. As I've just cited, whole papers have been written by eminent philosophers, cognitive scientists and psychologists entirely on the sub...
It's not though. Not in Jackson, not in Chalmers, not in Lewis, Byrne, Janzen. In all of these uses, and the use it is put to here, it constitutes mor...
OK, then yeah, I think sometimes 'what it's like' language is trying to capture experience. But part of the problem is that it acts as a technical ref...
A preference is 'natural' if it is one displayed by the species acting in a typical manner. All your other definitions are some form of 'necessary' wh...
That is exactly how it is supposed to work, which is why I disagree with it so strongly. It is the basis for a whole load of mystical woo around consc...
No. To say order is strongly associated with a designer is begging the question. That is the very matter the argument is trying to resolve. Does the o...
3 does not follow from 1 unless there is some reason to think that the universe is otherwise in the same category as watches. Consider... 1. A watch h...
So the sticking point is still an epistemological one because you're still suggesting that something about the experience can be learnt by having the ...
Yeah. As usual with @"Bartricks"'s types of argument, they're based on one massive flaw, and this is it. The Problem of Evil is a question of why God ...
No, the point is there is no such thing as the experience of seeing red. There is only an experience which may from time to time, involve seeing red. ...
Yes, but you're not talking about man-made objects. The footprint I just made in the sand is a man-made object, the eddies I just made in the water as...
I don't read what Wittgenstein was saying that way, maybe taking it out of the context of the piece wasn't helpful of me. He's saying that the express...
I don't understand. Do you mean you want me to stop arguing as in... ...in which case you'd need to point me in the direction of the part of my commen...
No, because the act of recognition can occur in different people based in different patterns. I might recognise my phone number, to you it's random di...
Attitudinal reports are analogous also, just not directly so. I felt happy, only works as an analogy to the times the person you're speaking to experi...
Not at all. I know in what context it was mentioned, what it was trying to say. I certainly wouldn't say I fully understood what one is. I'm fairly su...
Yes, but the point is that it doesn't really say anything at all without either analogy or attitudinal report, as every other question beginning "what...
That's pretty much how I see it too. Interestingly, since we were talking about Ramachandran earlier, he has my personal favourite solution to the Mar...
Yes, I don't know why people keep bringing up these tangential remarks in a thread about Frank Jackson's Thought experiment! Seriously, I'm only conti...
Absolutely. Definitions can't be treated as if they were some technical matter enabling the true meat of a discussion, definitions are what a discussi...
No, you're not taking on board what I'm saying. That is not how the brain works. You might like it to, but the evidence contradicts it. Colour-blind s...
Yes, but Mary knows everything about the colour Red. Literally everything there is to know about it, every connection anyone ever made with it, every ...
At the moment I'm keen on the expanding connectivity theory. The work's currently being done at Sussex (one of my old haunts). If you stimulate an unc...
How do you know this? Surely it's not a given. In fact experiments with psychotic hallucination seems to at least vaguely point in the direction of th...
Robustness of a theory is subjective. It's robust enough for me. No (apart from the good-looking bit, which is true). We don't do science that way. An...
Yeah, I'm quite happy to agree with that. The Colourblind Scientist experiment though is supposed to demonstrate Mary could not, even in theory, know ...
You see, this is the bit I just don't get the support for. It's just like the Colourblind Scientist. If she really did learn all there was to know abo...
Yeah, but only in that being merely related to involves some other component, whereas being reducible to means one thing entirely consists of the othe...
No, it's a fairly robust theory. Virtually no one reports experience when in an unconscious state. Levels of reported experience even correlate with l...
But that just goes back to the first person accounts neuroscience uses to correlate its mechanically detected data with. How is that not 'experience'?...
No, I'm saying I merely specified the order that would interest me, then threw the dice. Not that I threw the dice with the intention of making 1,2,3,...
Have a look back at @"fdrake"'s earlier posts here. Science already does include the concept of first person experience, the whole of cognitive scienc...
Right, this really bugs me (sorry to pick on you Frank, it could have been anyone). Is it just a failure of my imagination, but I can't think what an ...
Yeah. Again, off topic, but some interesting work has been done on possibly connecting the parts of the brain responsible for distinguishing self from...
I'm not sure if this is what you were getting at, so either to expand, or to contrast your approach.. Something like The Will is not only unable to ef...
No. I mean framework which we share, prior to the conclusions you or I draw. That's the only way discussion can proceed. You say "to try and explain w...
Yeah, good. If only I wasn't kept so busy being forced to write obloquial retorts to all the mystics, fakirs, and hyper-rationalist wisenheimer that s...
At the risk of veering wildly off topic, I think there's a lot of threads to this which are not necessarily to do with reductionism. The one which is ...
Absolutely. I agree but I think it's far more of a problem invented by philosophers because it 'could be' the case than an actual problem in science t...
It's not about the uniqueness of the criteria, it's about the criteria itself. You say elevation to the 'sole' criteria, but what you really mean is d...
Exactly. You've prejudiced your own investigation. You've dismissed the possibility that it's not "something real, but something very difficult to rea...
I see what you're saying here, but I think you miss an important role of what is commonly considered under the umbrella of 'reductionism', and that is...
Not at all, I could previously specify that the 'order' I'm looking for is 1,2,3,4,5,6, then it is a 'specified sequence'. I then throw the die six ti...
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