Isaac

Can I ask what the moderation was? Refusing it is obviously a banning offence but, I've encountered some pretty ornery behaviour here from time to tim...

No, many philosophers make use of the concept of Tropes, even pre Williams philosophers have Trope-like entities in their ontologies.

Curiously the same approach as the other post of yours I've just responded to. You post arose as a critique. It's all very interesting to hear what yo...

I'm not having any trouble grasping what you're saying, but your opinion here did not first arise in answer to the question "what do you think", it ar...

How would this be the case when we only have access to those objects and events via our perceptions which themselves are shaped and dependent on schem...

Great summary, thanks for doing that. This is the first part I take issue with. He's presuming in this that we successfully contrast them, as distinct...

... But, as I said, if you're not interested, that's fine, just have to say so.

It's possible, to remove sections from your 'all discussions' page. I just have the religion section turned off, so I only go there knowing what I'm g...

Hang on, weren't you quite vociferously arguing against model dependant realism only a few days ago, the idea that people don't objectively exist bein...

If you're not interested, you can just say so. I'm not handing in an question paper to be marked, I'm contributing to a discussion. If you can't even ...

You might have to clarify how you're distinguishing "how?" from "how come?" here.

I understand that, but I gave you what seemed to me to be the only options (perhaps I should have made that more clear), so any response which simply ...

I'm not actually sure we mightn't just completely agree, so far as your actual line of thought on this extends, but I feel like I'm missing some conne...

Yes, and I'm just asking you, personally, what factors have lead you to believe that some people have not progressed in obtaining knowledge of themsel...

I don't think so, because the error terms are related to the primary sensory input (box2 in Friston's paper) which are themselves non-updatable models...

I'm going to just post Karl Friston's paper here, for anyone who's interested - as I said, there's some crossover between multiple threads on this top...

There's some crossover with the other thread in which this is mentioned. If do you ever feel like clarifying your position with respect to my comments...

So if it's not objective, what prompted your conclusion that "very few advance in it"?

Yes, absolutely, so we definitely have to have a real world otherwise our models are modelling nothing, our entropy resisting organisation has to have...

Classic passive-patronising. So how would you know this (the bolded bit)? If the thing I'm supposed to be knowing is 'myself' and the thing doing the ...

Do we? Suppose Jack (or Jacqueline for this example) were to have kittens. You're saying that it would simply be universally agreed at what point the ...

That's just tautotlogy. What makes a belief false? Did you not read what I wrote, or not understand it, or not agree with it. If you're not going to a...

On the contrary, I'd go as far as to say it's the only justifiable reason to reject anything that isn't overwhelmingly contradicted by the evidence to...

Yes, but in Friston's model the sensory input is from perception, not the world, and that's vitally important for the free-energy principle to work. T...

Yes, in a sense that's the reason I think it better to 'black box' the whole thing and look at the behaviour as indicative of what the whatever-it-is ...

OK, I'm quite taken by the factor that errors are modelled as coming from some distribution, that's definitely an important thing for model dependent ...

This is another thing that keeps cropping up in discussions involving neuroscience that baffles me. What isn't just a correlation? If I throw a ball i...

But they're properties of my brain. I mean, when brains are interfered with those things respond differently, so I don't see that as a reason to disca...

Yep, I've never denied the existence of reality, neither does model dependent realism as a whole (hence the 'realism' bit). I don't buy this because e...

Yep, this seems to be a line many are taking, but it's always expressed in this manner, or similar. I agree it would be a boon to model dependent real...

Thanks for the link, an interesting article which I hadn't read (although I have been peripherally aware of the idea). I seems to nicely intersect wit...

Really, so what's the alternative?

Yeah, I wasn't talking about 'define' in terms of language. But anything less than a very superficial reading of what I wrote would reveal that, so I'...

Well. Firstly, why should everyone be expected to follow the rules of logic? That seems prima facae to be an unsubstantiated claim. To what end? Secon...

In a sense, yes, but any problem with doing so would only arise from a position that some previous definition existed whose only flaw was its inabilit...

Not necessarily. Could we not do the same thing with some complex function and our predictions of what it's solution might be prior to calculating it?...

Depends what you mean by mistaken. Do you mean have the wrong model, or do you mean have a model which is not identical to reality? If the former, yes...

I'm trying to ground things like belief in the physical. A disposition to act can be represented (theoretically) in neural architecture, response to s...

Yes, absolutely. We seem to dislike inconsistency - sometimes, I think, to our detriment... But then, I'm a psychologist, we get to play fast and loos...

Funny, I've had a little professional cross-over with philosophers (plus what I've heard in public lectures and seminars on YouTube) and what I've fou...

As I explained, I don't think I 'believe' a single thing, I believe a range of different (possibly even contradictory things) in different contexts. S...

Absolutely. A claim which should be allowed with much generosity, I think. We're only writing pithy responses, often (in my case) on a phone whilst tr...

It depends on the context of our discussion. As I have said countless times, I hold that beliefs are dispositions to act as if, I can therefore hold d...

How does nature inform us of an error in our models when we have no direct access to nature against which to check them, only other models?

Yes. Friston has demonstrated active variance reduction in sensory inputs of amoeba, even in programmed automatons. Modelling, in a mathematical sense...

Yes, exactly. So I'm asking Zelebg how that distinction he set up can help him objectively identify a separate object. I can't see any distinction at ...

What is the non-arbitrary aspect then? We're definitely getting crossed wires here, sorry. I don't know what part of my writing you think has expresse...

Yes, absolutely. What I'm arguing for here is model dependent realism. Not that nothing really exists, not any form of idealism, just that the only wa...

Yes, but incredulity does not constitue an argument. I'm asking you what your argument is, not what your feeling is about mine. I don't hold single be...

I'm talking about objective existence, the 'context' in which we determine existence is subjective, it's a decision we make, there's no reason why we ...