... I mean... he's literally written what the purpose of each group of intuition pumps are for. ..therefore... ...in the piece I actually quoted. No. ...
So how do you, in practice, distinguish such thinking from the critical rationalist scientist who, we've just established, is more than likely to pick...
Thanks for at least trying. How are you assessing how people use them usually, just anecdotally, or do you have some sources? That's the trivial part,...
Yet... So, what is it you imagine the fideist thinks in our scenario that is different from the critical rationalism you espouse? They believe A. They...
Yep. Read the text...please, and then quote from it a section where you think Dennett's contradiction of the above fails and explain why. Anything les...
This thread is supposed to be about Dennett's paper and the implications thereof. His paper sets out in quite some detail, the problems encountered wh...
It is. Your claim is the ability to falsify them, not change them around. No, as I said below, usually all that's needed is additional beliefs - no ch...
No, I clearly didn't. I asked for examples of an answer to the question which were different from Dennett's in such a way as to offer an explanation o...
Yes, you could conceive that... then you could test it (say with severe epilepsy patients who've had the connection between their right and left hemis...
But they don't "demonstrate the contradictory belief to be true". Observations don't demonstrate any belief to be either true or false, they underdete...
Well, that's a debated issue, but in neither Quine's view nor Lakatos's is it described as merely eliminating the logically inconsistent. It is about ...
Yep. A fact which... A) is not what falsification is about B) we knew was true no less prior to the 'testing' than we did after it. This fact was comp...
There's no consensus on the vast majority of open questions in psychology. Why is the definition of consciousness special here. Notwithstanding, we're...
Firstly, that's not falsification. Falsification is about scientific theories, not logic. All you've done there is assert the laws of logic. If what y...
I really don't understand what this question has to do with the answer I gave you. You asked me why people add sugar, I gave you an (admittedly behavi...
Yes. It's not that hard to catch oneself storytelling, in fact it's quite a common therapeutic technique to do so. That's why I think you really need ...
No, my point was that if I claim we do already have a science of consciousness, and as such we already do know what's conscious, you'll still claim we...
...and that's an answer. Where '...because of the connectedness of many neurons' isn't, because... This just repeats the question. If, say, I explain ...
Those are both massive questions. Short answer neural networks and predictive models. Perhaps if you could explain the relevance I could be.more speci...
What would an explanation of this be like? You've talked a lot about how Dennet's philosophy isnt one, so you must have an idea of what is one to comp...
Smelling smoke and 'the way smoke smells' are not the same thing. The first can be described entirely as a process without introducing new facts. The ...
Yes. That's how people work, they say and do things with an aim to have a certain effect by doing so. Why would telling them what they want to hear be...
Yes, that's entirely what we're saying (and @"Srap Tasmaner", above, too, I think). Your process isn't 'sorting beliefs'. It's pointing out that you o...
All number of things. In neurological terms, it's the firing of whatever neurons have pathways leading to speech centres, in psychological terms it wo...
I'm not trying to account for qualia. I'd be trying to account for behaviour, neuroscientists would be trying to account for neural activity. There's ...
Could be any one of a large number if reasons. That's the point of rejecting qualia. We wouldn't know, at least not by introspection. Most likely is t...
The signals which chemosensory neurons send to cotices higher in the hierarchy. Nothing more. Beyond that you start to see the influence of a whole sl...
So where is that 'way' if not in the brain of the person doing the tasting? And yet we can make a complete account of chemosensation->talk (or any oth...
Well now I've no idea where to put this response.... Yes, that's entirely what we're saying. Your process isn't 'sorting beliefs' is it. We've just es...
There I'm just trying to throw a bone to @"Kenosha Kid"'s idea that we might have a defined step we could meaningfully talk about in the otherwise sea...
Trying to explain by what? I'm not clear here whether you're asking what inquiry into perception is trying to explain, or what dismissing qualia is tr...
Because there is no such fact. Dennet's just taken an entire paper showing this, we've just taken 13 pages of discussion showing it. I mean this in th...
Indeed. The fact that people who can't see this are given 'air time' in serious philosophy is shocking. We shouldn't even know the names of those prom...
The trouble is these threads have a trend, you start a thread seemingly about A and B in which you make the argument B follows from A. People chime in...
You're incorrigible, we're discussing this exact thing in the other thread and instead of answering the questions there, you just re-iterate the same ...
So all three beliefs remain in play. I'm not seeing how you've narrowed the field. You can't have all three together? Is that what you're getting at, ...
Yes, that's true. Libet's a good example. Also various temporal re-arrangements that have to be carried out to accommodate the expected difference in ...
Yes, we die. (Sorry, couldn't resist the flippant answer). Take calculating some iterative algorithm that has no p-type solution. The step you happen ...
That's an interesting way to look at it. There's certainly a common thread, a discomfort, with psychology and neuroscience, that we're intruding where...
Yeah, my concern is still with... @"Kenosha Kid", I'm still not sure I'm prepared to accept that picking a point in an ongoing feedback process and la...
Wouldn't it be both? Only tangentially related, but if an effect is emergent, then any reification is an illusion. Flash a bight magenta light on a wh...
This still doesn't address Quine. 1. Have a belief A 1a. Also have a belief C 2. Demonstrate that it is impossible for A to be contradicted through de...
Yeah, depends what you mean by 'explains'. There are different standards for what constitutes a satisfactory explanation in different fields. I'll fre...
None of that is surprising to me and yet I still don't feel you've answered my charge, so the problem can't be in that distinction alone. You say "Kno...
That it is inconsistent is a belief. You can't escape this, it still forms the same structure - my belief that A, and my belief that B, and my belief ...
Yes, a peril of cognitive psychology, particularly computational approaches. As soon as you leave the influence of the neocortex you lose intention an...
What you're not grasping (or ignoring, not sure which) is that it being "not yet ruled out" is itself another belief. The point of talking about Quine...
I will perhaps have a read if I've time. I can't keep more than a couple of threads in mind at the moment. Perhaps in lieu of my doing so you could an...
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