Isaac

See my comment to Oliver above. The idea does not stay the same, only similar enough for our purposes, so there's no unity requiring a separate existe...

So no two maps are the same then?

How does this conclusion lead you to... Ideas may be written on paper too, no? If I copy the idea from one page and then destroy the original, have I ...

Only if you beg the question already. The map of my local area in my car is not the same map as the map of my local area on my bookcase. There are dif...

In what way do you think representational drift makes any difference to the robustness of the conclusion that representations are written down on neur...

OK, that makes sense, but it still leaves the substance of the question unanswered(or at least I can't see an answer there). Can you hold contradictor...

I didn't once make an assertion about what was actually the case regarding rationality of people's criteria. I said quite clearly and deliberately tha...

Never mentioned 'fault', nor did I say anything about failure to respond to posts either. I don't know what this wierd line of enquiry of yours is hea...

I see. So just a failure to understand the argument then. I thought it might be something more interesting. Or are you just deliberately straw-manning...

Are you just being evangelical here or can you genuinely not see the difference between something seeming to you to be the case and something actually...

What strategy? I don't see how my deciding which posts to respond to by any criteria makes all criteria equally rational.

An assumption is not the same as a wild guess, and nowhere have I assumed motives, it's motives I'm enquiring about. No, I don't respond to each and e...

Of course.

Of course. Why would you doubt that? I'd be interested to hear the thought process of someone who holds the belief that "If you don't get it, there's ...

Yeah. It was the overlap in this particular case which interested me.

I know, that was the point of my question. I'm wondering why you post in a discussion forum if the qualification for having a discussion is agreeing w...

I see. My mistake. It's not always easy to tell which authors are mystically endowed with such anagogic knowledge. If they'd only leave their mystic a...

Authoritative? In what way?

So now you've resorted to simply pointing out that other people thought something to be the case and if we don't agree then there's no point in discus...

That's right. I was pointing out that your objection is misguided because the argument you're objecting to never included a metaphor in the first plac...

I'm responding to this... No metaphors involved. Just statements about the way the world is and the ontological consequences.

Yes they do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye#Overview Again, you're begging the question by already assuming the two types of camera are of differen...

No metaphor. a camera taking film is not included in the world it films. It's a statement of fact, not a metaphor. It shows that not being included am...

It's not a metaphor if you acknowledge this, it's just the matter under discussion. that's the point @"khaled" and @"Pfhorrest" are trying to make. Wa...

Now that would be interesting. Likes removed because they're not 'real' likes. I would be solidly in favour of the whole enterprise if, in addition to...

Bad example because of the ambiguity. Logial inference is still something one 'senses' and so empirical, is the point I was making. Have you never tho...

I normally have a blanket ban on 'I agree' type posts (I'm a stingy bastard when it comes to praise), but have to say you've selected an excellent set...

Yeah. Last funding meeting I attended was absolute carnage. After you've sacrificed your third virgin though it all gets a bit work-a-day... Cool. May...

So... is the thought that some thought is a contradictory thought subject to the same restrictions?

Seems a bit extreme, but fair enough, life's rich pageant and all. It's surprising how few people I speak to get this aspect of cognitive science, bon...

Well, I'll send as many as I can on to you so you can instruct them in 'The Way' and save them from their unenlightened chaos... hang on, I've heard t...

But what about inference? If a given subsystem only has the data that it has read the state of a prior system which itself had previously read a prior...

That is a disagreement, obviously. I'm clearly not going to hold a position I think is unreasonable. Show the existence of one without the other. If e...

Of course. Again, I don't see anyone denying this.

Yes. Do the experiment. The method statement is quite clear.

So basically if I don't start out agreeing with you there's no point in discussion. Interesting approach.

Why? In fact, this is disingenuous because I see it's already been asked and answered. A scientist does not have to trust all thoughts in order to tru...

Of course it's an object of cognition. I have a model of what it is and how it works. I can examine that model and check it against other models such ...

That they exist? No. That they give me an accurate model of reality? Yes. I see no reason at all to believe that prima facie. Yes, that's right. Indee...

Yes... and? I'm not seeing that as a compelling reason why they can turn out to be other than they seem but my mind can't. All you've done thus far is...

See above. That things are sometimes not as they seem to be is taken as a matter of course these days in all fields of science... Why would your mind ...

Examples? Why would I be? I have a subjective feeling the earth is a flat plane which goes on forever. Scientists tell me it's round. Great, now we ca...

No, mistaken on both counts I'm afraid, my fault. I did not ask "why is the mind so difficult to understand?" I asked why we find it so hard to accept...

Nothing in that prevents it from begging the question. The likening of the mind to the eye in your metaphor, without @"khaled"'s objection, only works...

Exactly. I was going to say use a mirror, but the point is the same. Then you begged the question.

Probably. OK, I can see that, but see my next post, I think there's stuff system A* can infer about system A, including it's own role. Or was it...? O...

Yep. The only difference then between this metaphysics and cognitive science seems to be that that we make the assumption all this happens in a brain ...

Understood. Why would it matter? We've just established the investigation is post hoc, so externally derived data about it isn't going to disrupt the ...

More on topic this time. What would be the case if part of the information each step received was the fact that it's neighbour had been studied by the...