Pussycat

I don't know whether you caught our conversation with dear Wallows from the beginning, but this is what I believe, I wrote it here: https://thephiloso...

If this confuses somewhat, then maybe, in the relevant propositions we were discussing 5.631-5.641, you could replace the "philosophical" with the "lo...

I don't know nor can I remember how we ended up talking about this in the first place, as I said, I want to take things for the beginning. https://the...

Maybe you are confused as I were, still I am a little bit by the way - logic is like this, what can you do! :) - but my take is that Wittgenstein addr...

Yes, but W never says that there is actually something outside the world, I guess this does not make any sense for him. Being outside the world is equ...

I think what he means is that for someone to be able to describe the world fully, as philosophers commonly purport to do/have done, he must go the wor...

Yes, presumably. However W says that we cannot determine a limit to either of them (rest of 5.61). We can only say that they have the same limit (beca...

5.61 says that the limits of logic and the world are the same, the statement does not include language. Limits can be drawn (or set) to language, but ...

The tractatus is all about limits: limits to language, to thought, to propositions, and as they play their role in probabilities. However, we dont see...

but if thats the case, he would/should have said "set limits to what cannot be thought clearly". The ogden trans is worse, since it actually says "the...

Exactly, proposition 4.114 I had in mind when I wrote above: I remember reading about this a while ago, some find it contradictory, others not. I don'...

So do you think that the Tractatus asserts that a limit to thought can be drawn, or should we take what he says in the preface, that the limit can onl...

And so the Tractatus is one of the few philosophical works of the modern era, since the time that philosophy has been made into a system and standardi...

True, I guess we will see that in the future. But les us continue with the preface: And indeed he was right not to claim novelty, for many of the thou...

Yes, there are differences, the main being, I think, that tractarian forms are essentially possibilities of object configurations, whereas in Plato, w...

Very platonic the Tractatus, wouldn't you agree?

Yes, like Nietzsche advises, read the original. Alas, my german is poor, but luckily Wittgenstein took care to provide an english translation!

Well! Despite all of Tractatus's problems and the author's later dismissal of his own book, it still, somehow, remains an important work on logic. But...

Wallows! You there man?

yeah ok, they are the same. But how does this answer the question??? Of course it doesnt, because it is an answer to some other question that you had ...

haha, ok this seems reasonable. After all it's better to do a fresh start, like they say, I mean why on earth would you consider a start at, say, the ...

Or is there something very special for that particular point?

But if the choice of start/end points is arbitrary, then why do we preferentially choose the Big Bang as a start?

But the circle of time must have had a beginning, right? Or is it beginning-less you say?

So entropy is not connected in anyway to time and vice-versa? So one could say that the universe began at the point of the big bang, but this only app...

What I am saying is that if time moves in the direction of entropy increasing, then at the time of the Big Crunch, and as long as entropy is decreasin...

so its like a dog following a tail, only to discover it is its own? Heads and tails in time, but we are certain that there is indeed a head at the fro...

so the big crunch causes the big bang, but not the other way round? Time is circular, but yet one-directional? Or is it bi?

Time causes itself?? It is its own cause?

so that makes the last effect into the first cause. But what then is the first cause?? What happens to it?

so what is the cause of the first cause?

From the beginning yes, always a good place to start, if you find it though! So, preface is next, but I dont have the time now, probably later today.

Nietzsche' s "Last Man" is antinatalist, right? While the "Ubermensch" is life affirming, life-wanting, despite all the pain and agony of life???

Basically, the main antinatalist argument is: we are all gonna die sometime, so why not sooner, why not being born at all? What is gained by "living"?

And what is this scientific conception of reality? As it is now, scientists are dazed and confused, and sound like theologians!!

I dont understand what you mean, but I got the impression that you have something seriously wrong here. Anyway, this will be dealt with when treating ...

But bipolarity has to do with propositions that have sense and can be either true or false, which is why they are called bipolar in the first place. T...

What does bipolarity have to do with this? But it's like these Viennese "philosophers" said in the comix above: What we cannot speak of, we must pass ...

Leading antinatalist nowdays is Les Knight, I don't think he was mentioned. http://www.vhemt.org/les.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human...

Yes, but this most famous proposition is a bit ambiguous, isn't it? There are a few different interpretations I mean, which can lead to completely dif...

Well I don't know, really, but I would like to explore that possibility, enjoy it even, I mean in logic it's all about possibilities, isn't it? Huh, g...

My point was what I said above about what I think he was trying to do: to find a way to dissolve language, so that the inexpressible, the mystical lik...

haha, I doubt that he was, but then again, people say things about him. Anyway, that was not my point.

It may, or it may not, but certainly it is a possibility that we cannot dismiss. I mean, have you read about his life? A most troubled one, for sure, ...

Yes, but he doesn't make a matter of love only between him and Pinsent, but rather, in the motto above, includes everyone else, and whatever a man kno...

But who was David Pinsent? Not much information on him, but the wiki page states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pinsent David Hume Pinsent (24 M...

Ok, first of all with the pre-preface: “… and whatever a man knows, whatever is not mere rumbling and roaring that he has heard, can be said in three ...

Whenever you are ready, I guess. Although i am pretty tired now to start a proper conversation. But I think you missed the preface, and even before th...

For sure? You are not just saying that to get me off your back, right?

I tried to read N&N several times, but I always came to a stop, because of lack of meaning. I mean, what is the whole point of the book? Why is it imp...