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The OP isn't addressed to you. It is addressed to people who think consciousness is more fundamental than matter and asks how matter can emerge from c...

No it isn't No it isn't. No it doesn't No it isn't. No they aren't! Fab, I've fixed all your errors Nick and we can move on. No need to thank me.

'Hard problems' ,of the kind that Chalmers referred to, are not about 'why' in the teleological sense. They are about how. How is it that consciousnes...

Without matter consciousness doesn't have a home. No place, no body to be in. I'm doubtful consciousness is enough by itself. How can extension emerge...

Bicycle wheels can be true. Forum posts can be thoroughly buckled.

Do you always do as you are told? Old Nick definitely won't.

Sorry, I'll stop!

I don't think so, no. You just get more problems. Why do some complexities result in or instantiate consciousness, while others don't?

By showing the alternatives are worse. Panpsychism is the worst theory of consciousness apart from all the others. The examples you give are of differ...

What is experiened changes. That experience happens at all doesn't change. If a system has an experience at all, no matter what it is an experience of...

I don't think they are magical. No, consciousness is not quantifiable. It does not admit of degree. X is either conscious or not, there is no middle.

No more magical than saying particles have mass or charge. It's just another property of matter.

I'm not suggesting any magic as far as I am aware. But it seems you think I am.

Kicking a football causes the window to smash. But kicking a football is not the same thing as the window smashing. On the other hand, the action of t...

It's not a statement, it's two questions. I'm trying to get clear in my head what you think the relationship is between the experience of smelling a r...

Maybe, I don't know! I try to assume good faith where I can. If people start guessing at agendas in discussions they stop actually responding to what ...

By concluding that there must have been a mind at the beginning of the universe, obviously. EDIT: Ignore this, I shouldn't come to a thread late witho...

OK, the words 'result,' 'enabled by,' 'formation,' suggest something other than an identity with function. Could you clarify? Is the feeling we get wh...

I see, so you have observed the emergence of consciousness. Is that right? Consciousness is nothing other than certain functions of the brain, and if ...

Sure, and if you think consciousness has emerged from the structure and function of brains, then you are an emergentist with regard to consciousness, ...

I hurt myself with self love twice a day.

Yeah, pretty much. I like him other times.

I'm just sick of his catchphrases. There's a whole bunch of them he uses over and over.

But you're an emergentist! And a functionalist as far as I can tell. These are philosophical positions. You haven't escaped into science.

I neither said nor implied it wasn't a non-sequitur

Non sequitur. I neither said nor implied that I did say anything.

I never said nor implied that he did.

He didn't state nor imply that you did.

I'm hoping to bring him into the fold a little. If he carries on like that he'll be banned eventually, but we all have to start somewhere. EDIT: no do...

Sure, I was responding casually to @"Metamorphosis" who accused me of thinking I was made of magic spirit or something instead of plain ol' chemistry....

Sorry, that was directed at Metamorphosis.

@"Nickolasgaspar" @"Metamorphosis" You two should be friends. Actually, I don't think I'm anything more than organic chemistry, except maybe space as ...

From whose point of view? Certainly what people experience changes, including approaching death. But can you think of a state which is neither conscio...

Indeed, nevertheless there is a fact of the matter whether they are or not, even if we don't know what that fact is. It is also my view I can't make s...

I think you've picked an interesting example. Tables are large, and you can make small changes to a table without altering its tableness, so it become...

Which features of which organisms?

My answers to them were shite. The method for answering these questions, at least up to a certain depth is settled though in a way that the origin of ...

Because the matter is not settled in the way that clouds waves and sunspots are.

It might be, and it's definitely a topic for a philosophy forum.

Evaporation of water from the oceans that condenses in the cooler air as small droplets, I think. Ah, that's the wind I think, causing ripples on the ...

Oh that's a bummer. I would have liked to have seen the proof!

The solipsist says there are no other minds, but what does the solipsist say about other bodies? How does he relate to his own body? Are there multipl...

Oh, I agree that's no help at all. You want a real proper reason to think there are other minds, no? 1) My body does what it does because of my mind. ...

Not on my understanding of the concepts of emergence. Even if we say that activities don't emerge, we can just rephrase to make the properties those a...

There is now! I'll see if I can work out what that means.

That wasn't the one I was thinking of actually. I can't find it now, odd. No matter. You most often speak as if you a are a kind of functionalist, bro...

@"180 Proof" Ill see if i can find it. I could be wrong. I asked 'strong or weak?' You 'said jury's out' or something. I know you've never been a subs...

Regarding vagueness, 'consciousness' is considered by a number of philosophers to be one if the few non-vague concepts we have.

@"180 Proof" Previously you have said you are an emergentist wrt consciousness. Have you changed your mind? If so, what precipitated the change?

I'm not sure. Maybe they want to avoid potential accusations of anthrpomorphization. They perhaps want to avoid being accused of saying that atoms fon...