RegularGuy

Unless you’re really into NASCAR for instance.

You’re not living up to the charter I drafted for you. Remember? Besides, being white trash isn’t all that great.

I understand the economic implications of ending consumerism, but if we don’t I’m afraid there won’t be a livable planet to host an economy. Furthermo...

I agree that there is no technofix beyond clean, renewable energy. Consumerism probably has to go as well. Anyone ready for that? We don’t build consu...

That’s not a definition. :razz:

I think I agree with that.

I think I agree. However, what about the white nationalist? As long as he treats people with respect he is not responsible for his hateful beliefs? Ju...

Interesting. Could you expand on this?

I resent that, speaking as a white trash redneck. :blush:

Ok. It would be cool if you never gave a hint as to your age, ethnicity, gender, and other characteristics. Then you can keep pointing out other peopl...

I think we are to an extent. But that’s debatable. One has to be aware of all the nuances of a given item before one can be held responsible for holdi...

Huh?

Was that meant to be a reply to me? If so, then I commend you for your efforts. Sometimes we need to hear these things so we can become aware of them....

True. But where do you stand on beliefs? Are we responsible for them?

Ok. But it’s not always fun to be surrounded by only people who agree with you. Fight me! LOL

Are you being sarcastic? I’m not always quick on the uptake.

To Terrapin Station, his own mind is the “given”. To speak of himself is the mental.

I don’t understand.

You’ve convinced me. Now work on Terrapin Station.

I guess to Terrapin Station, his mind is the “given”, the stage where things happen.

What do you mean by “only” and by “perceive himself”?

I think his mind would take issue with “only”. :wink:

That’s true. I mean I think I agree, but what exactly do you mean? Could you expand?

LOL and we’ve arrived back to Terrapin Station.

Certainly an alien being would have different mental phenomena, but his maths should correspond to our maths. We would both have minds perceiving the ...

I would have to interrogate a physicalist to know for sure.

I think so.

I suppose when I say that you can’t have one without the other, I mean that physicality is needed to give a venue for the mental, while the mental is ...

That’s right. We are on the same team. :grin:

Nothing. It’s just high-faluting philosophy. :lol:

Sorta? I’m disappointed in myself. I meant to convince you beyond a shadow of a doubt. :smile:

“To be is to be perceived” is true in a sense but not in the way Bishop Berkeley supposed.

Yes. Matter is real. I never denied that. “Light waves” and “photoreceptors” are also mental concepts informed by matter.

That information is also a conceptual framework which requires minds.

I mean that idealism vs. materialism is a confused area of study. You can’t have one without the other.

You would stop experiencing of course. There is “something” that caused your death, viz. matter. But that’s all we can say about it. “Highway”, “cars”...

You’re presupposing other minds observing your death.

That’s the mistake I made. My bad.

That “thing” isn’t what’s being spoken of.

“The thing being experienced” presupposes a mind experiencing it.

That also requires a mind of course. What are you getting at?

We speak about perceptions, which requires a mind. We don’t speak about the extra-mental apart from perceiving.

LOL. Ok. Never mind.

Are you calling me a dewlap? Because my google home hub is bad at translating.

Nothing that is spoken of is truly extra-mental. What you speak of is a mental representation of the matter that is imprinting on your senses. Of cour...

Say what? You’re preaching to the white trash, former ghetto living choir. I know all about this.

What you call a “burger” is your perception of the matter consisting of what you ate. What it is like without a mind perceiving it cannot be conceived...

Sick joke? You mean like a Nazi? I suppose we all have an inner Nazi to some degree.

The material and the ideal are inextricably intertwined. You are speaking of a material burger in a sense, but you can’t extricate it from your percep...

You probably know @"T Clark" better than me. I maybe got a faulty impression.