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So still a problem in the UK. Maybe both countries should be like something else.

Didnt a comedian go to jail for teaching his dog to do a Nazi salute? Thats the same kinda thing.

Well it depends on what qualifies as hate speech. Thats my problem with it. Im not a speech absolutist like Terra, Im more on your side in that sense....

Re (so THATS why you use that...so handy) not teaching “sticks and stones”, Ive often said the exact same thing. I also note that there are way too ma...

Are referring to something I said much earlier in the thread? I wasnt making an argument when I addressed S, I was trying to get clarification...which...

Seems pretty vague to me. Lots of things have “direct and indirect” harms. I see “may” cause a few times, I see the claims are not “easy to evidence e...

I don’t know what you think Im supposed to do with that. Did you mean to address someone else?

Well that would do exactly nothing to help me understand YOUR intuitions on the matter, but ok.

Right, but Im asking you to speculate, since your sense of whether or not hate speech should be banned is based on that speculation.

So my initial post to you had a bunch of questions that you answered, but at the end I asked about whats acceptable risk. Im still not sure about that...

Not “me too”, no. I was just asking. So someone vulnerable to radicalisation is salient here, unless you think someone who is already radicalised is s...

Can we lose the pretence? Who are you guys talking about? S, Terrapin or that other NOS4A2 guy? Someone else? To the general topic, banning for trolli...

You think that someone with a non violent predisposition would hear hate speech and be inspired to go commit violence? Just what kind of people do you...

No, this is straw-manning again. I was making a point about losing specific liberties of speech, not all liberties or people saying “gas the jews”. Ag...

I said I understand that. There are autonomous functions over and above what you are talking about there, that are not governed or regulated. So even ...

I understand what you are getting at, and if you want to encompass someones body as part of their identity then fine, even if you want to say that the...

Lol, ok.

I wasnt talking about speech, I was talking about liberties. What I said about them pre-empts the argument you are trying to make in the above quote. ...

You aren’t in control of your body, not all of it. Are you unfamiliar with the basic biology of autonomous bodily functions?

Thats a pretty pertinent question, you seriously going to dodge it like that?

Why would we ban something based on unconvincing evidence? Thats a low standard. To give up any ANY liberty the standard needs to be higher than that....

Thats not really what your claiming, well not all you're claiming. You are saying hate speech should be banned, aren't you?

You are clearly exercising bias here. That document does not support your argument, except if you have heavy confirmation bias like when religious fol...

Do you guys have any other reasons for your position on hate speech or is it just the causal stuff? I ask because the causal stuff isnt going anywhere...

I agree except for Hitler using his persecution as justification. Maybe he did, but thats not really whats salient here. Whats salient is that Hitler ...

Well your historical reference is only compelling if you already have the stance you have. Its not an example that makes your case any more than the H...

Is this argument still going on? Good lord. Listen Anti-Natalists, your argument sucks. It works 100% equally in the exact opposite direction. Replace...

Thats not a valid justification, it is an argument from ignorance fallacy. Just because the answer isnt known doesnt mean you get to just insert one, ...

It seems we are in...agreement?

“I dont know” leaves the answer to whatever question completely open, saying you don’t know means the answer could be anything. A person could start e...

Can you explain how necessary and sufficient causation makes your case here? I googled it so have a basic understanding but I dont see how you are usi...

What is necessary and sufficient causation?

Did you contact a mod? Your posts dont seem offensive or against the rules so its probably some limd of filter glitch or something.

Well said.

That wouldnt be an assumption. You are right that the possibilities become wide open when you dont know, the answer could be anything but there is no ...

I think you are confusing yourself with the semantics here. Being agnostic means you either do not think the question of gods existence can be answere...

So stupid. The early morning hour has robbed me of my good sense and Im actually responding to a clueless douche. Or is it his magical words, forcing ...

That sounds like a pretty hateful bit of speech at the end (when you tell me to go fuck myself) you clueless douche, better be careful lest someone re...

I dont think that kind of coercion is avoidable for groups of humans. Meaning, if politics is a “racket”, then all social organisations are and whats ...

When they are run by racketeers, yes.

I think the differences is twofold. First, the way “new atheism” is received by the public which has to do with the second difference which is in the ...

Its not anti-west terrorism that is the big problem, its what muslims do to other Muslims. The prevalence of sharia is a tragic blight on the world.

I understand that, I just want to know what exactly makes him an alarmist. That quote? Seems perfectly sensible to me, not alarmist at all. Islam IS b...

Is someone who dislikes swimming in shark infested waters a “sharkaphobe”? There is a real problem with Islam, as he describes. Why is he some kind of...

I didnt read any of his books, Im not even a particular fan of his but it provokes my sensibilities when people, anyone even someone like Trump, are d...

Im having strong deja vu we have discussed this before. Anyway, I don’t disagree with any of that quote. You have to do a pretty uncharitable reading ...

Sorry, missed what situation you are talking about.

Why do you think Dawkins is “totally out of hand” on Islam? Ive never read or heard anything from him that would indicate that.

Right so the “necessary condition for doing science” is an action. Choosing/evaluating is an action, it is something that you are doing. As you just s...

Right. The way you are using it in your OP doesnt match that. You are acting as though the lack of free will means no action can take place. The actio...