DingoJones

Right, I suppose what I have in mind is a more practical set of values, and meant in a broad sense of humanity. Value to us, our societies. (Though no...

Things do not always have value if they are “very curious”, except if being very curious is what made it valuable in which case isnt it being very cur...

It doesnt really matter to me how “value” is defined/viewed, in the sense that im not asking for anything like an objective fact about any of this. Wh...

I see. Well the value isnt intrinsic if there are things (merits) that you enjoy. Its those things in life you are enjoying, that are of value. What I...

Im not following you, how does that answer my questions?

I wasnt using those definitions...and I dont even see where I used “worth” at all. The “value” I have in mind is more about utility or importance.

Interesting, although not at all what I was talking about. Edited: Also, I didnt say life has no value of any kind, so we would be is disagreement rat...

I applaud your patience and calm responses sir, but I cant help but wonder why you keep at it. Neither of those two are really listening, and constant...

What do you call it when someone hates someone based only on the colour of skin/race?

However you want to define consciousness, im asking how would you know. The reason why Im asking is because it would be very difficult to do, consider...

How do know that what you have created is conciousness?

The meaning is in the words. If they were not, we wouldnt be able to understand without Shakespeare (or his mind at least) present. Meaning ultimately...

Well, maybe. I dont see how though. If you can tell by someones race whether or not they are suffering from a genetic disorder or not, how isnt that u...

Well its not...not always. Sometimes race can be a much stronger/reliable basis, such is the case with Osteoporosis or certain genetic diseases.

Well it can also just be useful categorisation, like Harry mentioned with medical purposes. The problem isnt the categories, its using those categorie...

Its still what racism is founded upon. Thats why these sorts of discussions are so contentious, because racists can co-opt terms and positions, even f...

For your fire and water example, it would depend on what other knowledge the person can draw upon to inform their reason. It doesnt have to be empiric...

Some people are born with advantages, isnt that some kind of “privilege”?

Right, individuality. The trump card over pretty much any other metric.

When did I say anything about IQ and race?

Ok, could you expand on that more? Im a fan of brevity but thats too brief, Im not clear on your stance here. Like I asked, is it the experiences of r...

Maybe the wrong word, the colour of someones skin dictates the character of that person...in part, you said in part. Which part? For example lets use ...

So...the colour of someones skin comes along with certain immutable character traits? So MLK had it wrong? Thats amazing to me, that anyone claiming t...

Ok.

Ok

Well skin colour is a genetic difference so Im not sure what you are getting at.

Depends on what you mean by superficial. Its not just cosmetic or trivial differences, there are actual important differences that concern medical hea...

Yes it is, but obviously the way you think about the word “race” precludes any such distinction. I don’t think of race that way. There are obvious phy...

Ok, thanks just curious.

Im still curious as to whether or not you were talking about me with the comment about defensiveness, could you answer that please? (If you do not, I ...

Indeed, race is one of those trigger issues. I knew that when I posted about it, so being called a racist doesnt really bother me much. (Plus, its lau...

Right, so in what way would that exclude the sunburn resistance? I guess its the implication that Im mentioning that difference between white people a...

Well, Im not sure what I said to indicate I thought the differences were “large”. Terra thinks they do not exist at all and thats what I was taking is...

“They”? Whom do you mean?

I think I misunderstood what you meant by normative, I didnt take that to exclude something like resisting sunburn. Could you tell me what exactly you...

Its a strange definition to me. I generally think of racism as involving hate, or general feeling of superiority of one race over another (as opposed ...

Ok, I would suggest more than a brief perusal because you are wrong. Look up the statistics for osteoporosis among black women and white women, that s...

Well there IS differences in bone density. Its a fact. Black people generally have higher bone density than white people. Are you saying that that sci...

Racist against which race? Just all races in general, or did you have a specific race in mind? Anyway, so bone density has no effect on a persons abil...

Ok, so bone density has no effect in difference of physical ability? (Its uncontroversially understood that black people have higher bone density that...

You dont think there are ability differences between races? None? Why do american blacks dominate most american sports? Culture? Obviously im speaking...

Yes, I think you got it exactly. Nice observation.

You are giving him way too much credit. He isnt being stubborn, that would require him having an actual position to cling too, which he doesnt. He THI...

Yes, he is being completely disingenuous and dishonest, but I do not think he realises it. This is the evil of religion, how it corrupts the basic int...

Risk? As in, if racists make it racist?

Well they wouldn't be varied as you describe on certain traits (racial ones), and the trends/tendencies (stereotypes) wouldnt be something thats alway...

Well some peoples ideas about race rely on the stereotypes, but it doesnt seem like stereotypes are intrinsic to “race” to me. Id call that conflating...

To me you are describing stereotypes, not race. Stereotypes are trends/tendencies about groups/population.

There are tendencies and trends that a population to have, is accounting for that why you say “mostly” hogwash/nonsense?

Well thats a description of race in my mind. Race is the distinctions that developed over time as the same species (human) adapted to different evolut...