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I would say those things are intrinsic to experience, not life, after all you can be alive and not conscious, or alive but braindead. Also, I had trie...

Sorry, Im not sure how to respond to most of that. Any chance you could tighten it up a bit? Its hard to tell where any of what you said relates to wh...

Apology accepted.

Its informed by genetics. Thats where those sorts of differences come from. Its not about the colour of skin per say, its about a genetic expression. ...

Its genetics, remember? There is an actual, genetic difference behind that skin colour. Anyway, you are being pretty evasive here and I understand you...

The difference in skin colour is an actual difference, isnt it? There are more differences than just that, but start there. Is that an actual differen...

Ok, well there are physical traits common to people of those groups. More than just skin colour. People categorise these traits as “race”, and when th...

Yes, its genetics. Genetics that we differentiate using the word “race”. What else would you call it? You are not going to call both people “genetics”...

Well that response ignores most of what we have discussed so far...its just a repetition of your premiss which Ive said I disagree with. Now im asking...

Well there isnt much utility in that, obviously, so im giving him the benefit of the doubt that there is more to it.

I am going to repeat a post I made in case you missed it again. The conversation suddenly devolved and everyone else seems to have given up on discour...

I do not think so. There are physical differences between certain groups of humans from different places/heritage. Of these physical differences, some...

No it doesnt. The opposite actually, it specifies those idealogical underpinnings as necessary for racism. What im excluding is people who simply reco...

Ill forgive you this time I guess. :wink:

Thats only because you use the “wide net” definition of racism. I think believing in race superiority/inferiority IS what racism is. If you dont belie...

Mr. Soul is right, thats precisely the problem I see with defining racism that way. I understand your concern about such differences overshadowing oth...

I do not agree. I think you can notice differences without discriminating, the same way you can between individuals of all kinds. If I recognise a tal...

Lol...im...sorry?

Ya, I noticed 2 was the odd man out, the other definitions are clearly racist imo. Im honestly new to the term so I focused on the parts specifically ...

We get it. NOS is an evil trumpest troll blah blah blah. Why dont you just shut up about it and try actually contributing? Youre the one playing the r...

Well sure, but simply recognising those differences doesnt seem like a problem to me. So if you define racism as recognising those differences then ra...

No its not, NOS included no “discrimination” in his definition. Recognising a difference is not the same as discriminating based on that difference.

Well they are the same in most ways, the important ways, but its silly to act as though there aren’t any differences at all isnt it? There are obvious...

Well taxonomy is a scientific term, a scientific biological categorisation. I dont think thats whats commonly meant when people refer to race, I think...

What is the difference between your definition and his characterisation of it? Aren’t you saying that racism is when someone thinks there are categori...

Ah, I suppose that is another conversation altogether. We most likely disagree quite a bit. My only real problem with the death penalty is the risk of...

So Zhou is essentially correct in how you define racism. Ok.

Yes, that seems a very poor definition of racism to me as well, I dont think thats what NOS has in mind though. How about it NOS? How do you define ra...

You dont buy that definition of racism? How do you define it?

Ok, I understand. Thanks. Im asking about choosing between death and death row. You implied that death row was the worse punishment, did I misundersta...

Do you think that people on death row would choose death over death row? If not, then doesnt that pretty clearly show which is the worse punishment? W...

Oh I misunderstood, I thought you didnt think life was sacred or intrinsically valuable. I just wondered how you would answer other examples of lifes ...

What about in the case of life in prison, do you think we should spend the resources to lock the worst of us up in a cage untill they die of natural c...

Ok, so how does that inform your views? If life has no intrinsic value, what are your thoughts about suicide, or imprisoning the Mansons or Hitlers of...

I wouldnt say so, no. That is only one type of life you are talking about, there is other life that doesn't have that appreciation as you yourself sta...

I think its because people are not thinking clearly, they have been trained and indoctrinated to see racism where the is none. That certain words make...

Ok, moving onto someone else then, as per your request.

Whats important about the distinction is that when people hear you use “colour blind” in the non-racist way you mean, they take you to mean “color bli...

I dont mean to make reference to an objective standard, whatever people/society decides has value is fine. I think we agree, and I agree with your ref...

Interesting, didnt think of AI. Maybe people who think life has intrinsic value have something purely biological in mind as part of that intrinsic wor...

Well the murderous individual could have value if they offset the murders with saving lives or something I suppose, but I was meaning to make a point ...

Sorry you lost me here. What statement is contrary? Im not saying life has no value, Im saying life has no value on its own. I dont think we should wo...

Yes, I would agree life is important but I would still base it on the merits of that life. The import of a life correlates directly with the important...

Good post, I think you captured an important distinction in a nutshell.

It was more the context of something like someone braindead but kept alive by medical technology. Does life have value just on its own, so that we sho...

The basic idea of the golden rule is pretty useful, yes. To me if you are framing it as about people having intrinsic value then you are talking about...

Well Antinatalism is about an individuals value assessment and I am trying to frame this at a societal level. Also, I do not agree that Antinatalism i...

I meant to use Manson as an example of a general principal but I take your point.

Well Im trying (unsuccessfully it seems) to illustrate a distinction between life and the contents of life. Im not trying to judge life as having noth...

[reply="I like sushi;348481" Again though, you are talking about the inherent value of something other than life, in this second case “rare” and “quit...