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To a bad idea? Any number of reasons. I dont follow why that answer challenges the assertion I made about discourse being the best remedy. Non-sequito...

I suppose the purpose of this forum is more or less specific to each person, falling under some broad categories. I think learning through discourse i...

What is your superior remedy to a bad idea?

Thats not been my experience at all. I think social pressure to conform comes from our ape brain, the primitive instincts that remain from our evoluti...

Took a pretty leap to get to that bolded portion sir. Thats not what im saying. No matter who they’re from? Where did you get that from what I said?

Im the opposite, I don’t care if people agree with me or not. Im just not that invested in any conclusion I reach. By design, I think this is useful f...

This reference to power seemed to be your main point. I dont think it overshadows all discourse, its just another factor and it may or may not be a si...

Depends on what you mean by tolerate. The best remedy for bad ideas like fascism is discussion, to show where these ideas fail and where they lead. So...

Its been ramping up for years, decades. I remember how people hated Bush jr, how he became a joke. Remember the show That’s My Bush (i think that was ...

Good point.

Same here. Its strange and zi have a curiosity the strange.

Hmm. That makes sense. So maybe its simply a matter of the most rigid reed snapping the loudest. Likewise with the never ending discussion method. Tha...

Well again this is standard fare for the internet. I agree that misbehaviour can often be attributed to the psychology you mentioned but this is diffe...

Ok, but why haven’t I seen this on other similar forums? Is there something about this forum that attracts these sorts of people? We have a fair share...

...are you sure? Certainly seems like it sometimes, seen the Trump thread at all? Gotta be at least a handful of 10 year olds here. Anyway, taking bet...

Ya, see I do not associate the right wing with hitler nor Mao with left wing, but I may be ignorant of the general consensus. You do hear that associa...

Agreed. I think this is because people tend to use those terms as labels (you think this, you must be right/left)) rather than categories (you think t...

Obviously Brett is venting some frustration here but his poor expression of his issue with this forum doesnt mean there is no substance here. Perhaps ...

Lol

Sure, but the point is about discourse, about erroneous beliefs being corrected. It isnt about people self correcting through silent observation...how...

Well, I cant disagree with any if that. :up:

Thank you Gus. First post in a while and look at that warm reception.

Good advice perhaps, if the person is around to hear it. (Banned people are not). Further, those ideas have books as well. My comment applies just as ...

Whats wrong with any of that as long as it follows the rules of discourse? Just because some of those folks, or most, are unhinged and incapable of di...

Same thing as with Tzeentch, there are people who hurt because they are hurting but there are also people who hurt because it makes them truly happy. ...

That might be true of some people who murder, rape and torture but not all of them. Some people might do it just because they enjoy it, and those are ...

Immediately begging the question “what about if true individual happiness means murder, rape and torture?” How do you exclude that?

Would the individual more morally required to self terminate their membership in the group?

Well its related because group consensus would be at play, but individuals might not agree with the group consensus yet none the less remain in the gr...

Indeed, I agree with that. I think that is an interesting related question as well. It made me think of large groups or institutions that are immoral,...

The former.

The objective standards are being created by rational discourse as you outlined. You are adding the extra consensus step to hang onto the consensus mo...

I dont think the consensus part of your equation is needed anymore in that case. Its rational discourse that would then be your metric.

Well a utilitarian calculation accomplishes the same thing as far as I can tell, for example. Pretty much every moral system I can think of are attemp...

I understand consensus morality can accomplish what other moral metrics do, but I think your metric has to win by comparison. Thats the point im tryin...

In the sense of functionality.

Right, but Im asking about the utility of your consensus morality over and above other moral metrics. The examples you list here are not unique to a c...

As a courtesy Im letting you know I do not like you, have no use for what you write (I ignore it as much as I can) and have no intention of engaging y...

Ok, in that case I think my criticism stands. Consensus morality is problematic, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have utility. Is there some utility or...

Well the views of the slaves would only matter if they were the ones forming the consensus. This is the problem with morality by consensus, the minori...

What you described is moral relativism. You’ve just shifted the focus on consensus. If I understand you, then under your view slavery is moral since m...

John McWhorter lays out what it is your dealing with in this topic, and why you are wasting your time trying to discuss the issue with them. Everythin...

Antifa are fascists who call themselves “anti fascists” in order to justify themselves to the lazy thinkers that dont bother looking at their behaviou...

There can be those sorts of disagreements or divergence without effecting Harris’s arguments. Thats what the moral landscape means, the peeks and vall...

Well I dont think he is setting anything aside, but yes he posits the human flourishing as an axiom. He does make his case for that, its not just some...

Its hard to say without a specific reference, but it seems to me you’ve been misinformed, Harris fans or not. His moral views start with the concept o...

Thats not the argument he makes about morality. Also, Where does he make this insistence to ignore? I assume you are referring to The Moral Landscape?...

You cannot deny your own existence. You can doubt its nature, or the nature of reality but you cannot doubt your own existence, its Decarte, “I think ...

What is the foundations that Harris gets wrong?

Your the one trolling this thread you puttz. Why dont you ask him how many times he beats his wife a day while youre at it. You are poison to discours...