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So I assume rigging a gun to shoot randomly by some indeterminate mechanism (say, random nuclear decay) and putting that in a public street is fine?

it isn't. I edited the comment a bit. As in X is the sound waves, C is the final result of the indeterminate mental processes in your brain. It could ...

Ehhhhh I've heard crazier stuff. Now. Say X is hate speech, Y is violence and C is the indeterminate brain functions that add up to free will If X, A,...

I don't you remember you doing so. So would B C and E all be punishable or what?

You didn't. You could've just said "yes that would be my objection" because that's exactly what I asked would be your objection Now. Does this mean th...

Fair. So if one were to empirically establish that hate speech increases the likely hood of violence wouldn't that be good grounds for banning it? I a...

so I assume one would have to "causally peg" not prove?

so one wouldn't need to prove that shooting people causes them to die in order to make it punishable?

What was the point of this quote then?

alright then. I removed the big bad word. Does this match the description of birth now?

Shooting someone causes them to die is an empirical claim but we can't prove that so I guess shooting people is fine herpa derp. No but X, A,B,C and D...

Ok great. Not every parent succeeds at providing that even if they can. And not every child grows to be happy. So why take the risk? Give me a reason ...

When he grows up he might not agree with you.... I'm not claiming 3 year old Billie is gonna write a philosophical thesis on the meaninglessness of li...

Again. Not getting the point that your child might not agree with you a about human existence having merit

Alright. How about putting them in a situation where they MIGHT get harmed. Say, leaving them in the middle of traffic. Is that ok? You're gonna answe...

I... Don't understand why the REASON they can't say no is relevant. You said So that means that consent is not an issue for young children. So then I ...

No. I am not benefiting anyone by not giving birth to them. I'm just making sure no one is harmed. Not having children is not "good" it's neutral. It'...

Does that make it ok to say, torture children because they can't say no? When consent isn't available you do the least harmful alternative no?

Fair point. Maybe it's not "forcing" but the fact that you have no consent to do it doesn't change. That's the real problem Great. So go get em. Do it...

Why do you think that’s impossible?

Mind explaining?

I think a 4 for me. Kept swapping countries and going to different schools. Bullying for not knowing the language sometimes. Becoming very reclusive a...

and perhaps not

It would help if you told me which was which and why one is this and the other that. Also, I don't really care all that much as long as you treat them...

Yes. Do you think it doesn't? If so aren't you being immoral right now by talking to me instead of having more kids? Look at all this happiness you're...

But... You treated them the same... I asked you if it was ok to genetically modify someone to suffer and you said no. You called that a "real potentia...

That's not the case. I said you only ever saw one ball fall and it did so from a high altitude. Let's also add that you saw the ball on the ground not...

Then you've done nothing good but something neutral at best. Making happy people =/= Making people happy. To demonstrate: Say you have 3 starving peop...

And there is your proof that the philosophical potential person is to be treated exactly the same as the actual potential person. Because, as I said, ...

all I was trying to say is that the evidence we have merits one belief much more than the other, that being that biological processes are sufficient f...

Why not? The consequences are the same. We agree genetically modifying someone to have 10 broken limbs is wrong right? Well what if a healthy couple f...

That's also my problem with you saying genetically modifying children to suffer is bad. What child is getting harmed here? The imagined unmodified chi...

And that's why the problem is hard. Lol. Yup. We can agree those processes are sufficient for mental processes to arise.

I asked why it is wrong. You're not actually doing anything to anyone are you? It is simply not the case that the child exists when you genetically mo...

really? I thought we were. Forget the solipsism and just answer this then. Please?

No. It's "avoid harming someone that will exist". You seem to be thinking that antinatalism is doing this to protect the poor magical ghost babies. An...

But that doesn't answer the original question though does it? "Biological processes are sufficient to explain human mental processes" doesn't answer "...

Pretty simple. Having children risks harming someone whereas not having them doesn't. And I see no other scenario in real life when people think it's ...

Is it not true though? P1: When these neurons turn off I stop being conscious C1: these neurons are sufficient for me being conscious (logical) C2: th...

True. Antinatalism doesn't claim it is "helping" potential people. As I said, you are not doing something good by not having children per antinatalism...

Yes.

I don't. I contend with saying I have no idea what they come from.

when has antinatalism talked about beings that will never exist? It talks about beings that will exist, and says that they might suffer. It also says ...

I don't understand how this is a reply to what I'm saying. All I said was that we know that biological processes are sufficient for consciousness, fro...

True You don't know that. We know that our biological processes result in mental processes. That doesn't mean mental processes are always manifestatio...

This wouldn't be the first example of such ethics. I would bargain you find genetically modifying children to suffer as much as possible (by, say, giv...

When did it seem to you like I was. It is still the case that we cannot answer "Why is there such a manifestation at all" with a sample size of 1. How...

No difference? Try stopping your heart. Dualism doesn’t have much to do with conscious/subconscious anyway. I wouldn’t say the organism controls it’s ...

How do you know that? You have a sample size of 1. That’s not enough to make a general theory Again, how do you know that? You have a sample size of 1...