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The first statement doesn't lead to the second. Just because you didn't dig in doesn't mean that the responsibility is not partial but is solely on on...

I could ask you the same question. This is a vanilla vs chocolate argument. Because I think those caveats are BS in other words, very unintuitive. It ...

I don't want to sound antagonistic here, but almost none of that made sense to me. Is there "A Will" for everything happening? Are physical forces "Wi...

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about or how you got that relates to the quote. You just pick the intuitions that have the most intuitive ...

That antinatalism an in internally consistent system that doesn't rely on premises that are too unpopular. As to what parents are reponsible for, they...

When I said "applies to everyone" I meant "that everyone believes in". This bit is not necessary but I don't have the "zealotry" required to try to ch...

That claim wouldn't have been made if the topic of the thread hadn't drifted to antinatalism. And I never made that claim. I never said that if your c...

So is life. That's what antinatalism means. And everyone has occassionally felt that half the harm they're going through is due to society's failure t...

It's not specific to disabled people. That's the case for everyone. Life is worth living because living it to the fullest is the best alternative once...

As I said, you can imagine red. So what you're saying is that color itself is an electromagnetic wave? So if we were to imagine color using memory doe...

I've seen crazier things on this site tbh But in this case the issue isn't even directly related to antinatalism the title of the post isn't "we are w...

I thought we were done... You can ask "But why should we think that" ad infinium for any position ever. That's not the premise used. The premise used ...

So how come you can imagine the color red without any photons entering your eyes? To know that the ROCK is physical not the "experience is physical" w...

Well I guess the conversation is over then? We can’t really get anywhere if you don’t have a counterview to mine. Same here to be honest. I don’t know...

Absolutely correct. No one is benefited. But that is better than having many harmed. Saying "it's not a sound minded judgement" implies that objective...

I'm not saying that the object is immaterial. I'm saying that "color" is not a physical property. "wavelength emitted" is. And that the experience of ...

Can be seen as either. Among other things but yes. The argument is that there is a non zero chance that they won't think their life was worth it. We'r...

It's just that you seem to find "Do what you think will minimize harm" so ridiculous that I wondered how you operate in these situations. This doesn't...

Basically. I don't expect you to pull out a calculator. This is just another way of saying "I expect you to choose the option that you think minimizes...

We can debate whether or not they are commonly held but if that's your opposition, and you don't think the premises are commonly held, then sure I don...

None that you have presented. And none that have seemed reasonable to me from what I saw. The 'reasoning' bit is whether or not you consider procreati...

As I said, by reasoning from even more basic axioms. For me "It is okay to risk harming others" is much harder to believe than "It is not okay to have...

You can't. But you know statistically that the majority of people are not pianists. And you know statistically that most people with disabiliites lear...

Not in this case. And not in most cases. This is what I'm saying. Doing nothing to the guy in the car crash scene will result in his death. Passivity ...

So the alternatives are: 1- Perform CPR: very low chance of harm, very high chance of benefit 2- Don't perform CPR: very high chance of harm, very low...

See, you THINK I ought to behave a certain way. Now I have no complaints. It sounded like you were objectvely saying antinatalism should be changed. E...

Agreed. And currently we cannot know that for any given child. Pretty sad. Not as sad as seeing someone going through severe depression though. First ...

Yes. But I don't think this part is correct. The first "implication" is a reasonable position to hold already, and doesn't rely on the above argument ...

I understand what you're saying yet thinking that these are the implications of an antinatalist's line of argument just means you don't understand the...

Just an interjection here. First off antinatalism doesn't say that non-existence is the ONLY way to avoid suffering and secondly it is not the goal of...

I would say that it's not fair to put ALL of your suffering on being forced to play the game. Birth is the first cause of all suffering but not the on...

You misunderstand. I agree that all pain and distress is unjustified ultimately. But I also think that it is best to act as if it was not in personal ...

I’m terrified of people who are only moral because if they’re not they’ll get punished. It seems that genuine morality is impossible with the constant...

I’m not “proving” anything. I’m explaining what the word “mind” means. Incorrect. Colorblind people will see green when looking at a red object for ex...

Isn’t all pain and distress a result of being born? Because it seems to me like you’re saying all pain and distress is unjustified.

"mind" is the experience of qualia. You cannot explain to someone what the color red looks like without showing them the color red. Even if someone kn...

Yes but you say that if someone had the right intentions but was ignorant and so caused harm, that person is not immoral. But I say, no, they are immo...

I don't know what "this" is. No I don't think so. If I buy a new suit for you with your credit card without asking and luckily you actually had an int...

huh. Might pick that up then. Can’t seem to find an audiobook though :confused:

I don't get all this self-actualization and lesser-people talk. It sounds way too poetic to be real. Anyways if you're asking how to not care about wh...

But one says you can get it right here and now by fixing your own mind and the other says that this world is doomed and terrible specifically to test ...

I told you already. It's an observation. You disagree. So YOU tell me what you think it is. I don't see how this makes sense. When did I say "empirica...

"I exist" is not an observation? What is it then?

Which is what happens in the effort of trying to understand how your mind works I didn’t say they were My mistake then It is a way of saying that fund...

I don’t think intention is enough. I think it should be intention and consent. So if someone tries to “help” me by buying me a brand new suit with my ...

Then you’d be a robot which I doubt you are. I never get materialists doubting their own consciousness. Not very scientific of you to ignore the most ...

I used to wonder that until I stopped wondering it and that seems to make it go away. That seems to be the solution for most “philosophical angst”. I ...

No they DON’T know that there is an eternity. That’s what I’m saying.

I don’t think so. If I remember correctly Nietzsche only proposed eternal reoccurrence as a “measure” of how well one likes their own life. It was som...

It doesn't seem to me that way. It seems to me the requirement must be that the person exists at the time the risky action will affect them. The probl...