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By whose standard? Where do we get this knowledge of whether the next child will be happy or unhappy? Not exactly. As you said: And this applies even ...

Not necessarily. I said what the purpose of the statement was, ignore referents. It's why we say "It feels like someone stabbed my leg" instead of "Ou...

All of it. That is to say you obviously won't say you're angry if you don't have the concept "anger". You'll still feel angry though.

Nonsensical question. By definition, when it seems to you that you are angry you are, in fact, angry. There is no point at which you can think you're ...

You're doing it again. You're taking talk of phenomenology as implying neurological theory. How about: 3- Recognize that despite there not being a neu...

I got into this with Isaac as well. What does it mean to "know of what you speak"? If it is purely being able to use the word, then yes even if you ca...

Sigh... This is going nowhere, we're going around in circles. I think I'll just read the threads for now.

Nothing prevents them from saying it. But they haven't had said experience. Therefore they do not know what they're talking about. The contradiction i...

So being scared is the experience you have on a horror ride? You're contradicting yourself: First you insist that if someone who has never experienced...

I wouldn't. I would say "It's what you feel when you go on a horror ride" and ask you to try it. If you don't feel anything maybe there is something w...

That is true by the definition of "experience" that I am using. If you are asking about the experience in the moment, that is, by definition, exactly ...

How about 4: I'm conscious, I don't know about the desktop

But you couldn't tell that story without vibrations in the air hitting his eardrums which go on to have the effect you perscribe. I think it's always ...

We're asking why. I haven't read phenomenology books. Couldn't tell ya. So you have ineffable private experiences. As I said a while ago, the way you ...

Be reasonable. What use is it asking the question if the reply was going to be: Actually, you don't remember. I just generalized to how I learn new wo...

This. As to how I learned, I looked at all the situations where people said "red" and found out the common factor in my experience, that is "redness"....

Incorrect. I do not know where you get that impression. Cool. Has nothing to say about whether or not we have experiences (as usual). The timescale is...

I don't think so. "Phenomenology is the study of structures of consciousness as experienced from the first-person point of view" -the standard encyclo...

What? Idk what you're trying to say here.

No it's the same old why. Just this time it's harder to answer. Because we cannot gather data about something private. That's not what I'm saying. I s...

That would be the hard problem. Which I am interested in. Yea I'm not really interested in that one. I want to emphasize that the statement "the world...

Ineffable =/= We can't speak about. And I already gave you a model where we can have ineffable experiences and still have meaningful conversations. In...

But we have a large number of people reporting to have them. How did that happen? And, again, I can tell you what qualia are. The experience of pain i...

Generic implies that it applies to all the people advocating for qualia. I wasn't offended by it, but it's still psychonalaysing that doesn't add to t...

I can tell you what the category means but not its memebers. As in I can't describe red to you but I can tell you what Qualia are. And no I can't show...

I don't think it does. How do you explain the phenomenology otherwise?

Or I've simply stated a matter of fact. Like if someone says "A triangle has 3 sides and the sum of its internal angles are 180, and the shape which c...

But the patient didn't examine nerve endings. So how come he was able to distinguish? Again, this use doesn't imply "fake experiences" it implies fake...

What I mean is that knowledge of the biological machinery doesn’t allow us to know how the cup appears to people. We can know the sufficient condition...

A hallucination. Again, I think this definition of perceivable is confusing. Being able to see the effects of something doesn't mean you saw the thing...

When did I do that? As in even claim that an understanding of X (qualia that is not my own) is possible. I only know what experiences I am having, I d...

Sigh.... Fine you win. A 3rd grader with a calculator understands integral calculus. And a blind person equipped with a spectrometer that says the ass...

I keep hearing this argument by all the Quiners here. I want to instead ask, what's the problem with introducing that layer anyways, even if we don't ...

So when an artist imagines something and draws it that counts as "perception of effects" right? (since they couldn't draw it without imagining it). Th...

We don't "perceive" energy, or probability waves, or the gravitational curvature of space-time. We hypothesize them and perceive their effects. This i...

An element of understanding doens't translate to the colloquial use of "Do you understand X". Being able to use the word correctly in one sentence doe...

The point is that there is a "them". There is an experience behind the word. And when we have that experience (or range of experiences) we say "Ouch"....

Yes

We went over this. Yea sure. I don’t believe otherwise. What you said doesn’t contradict what I said. We don’t know the connection the biological mach...

Qualia IS the footage.

I don’t think it does. As in it doesn’t add anything new. We already agreed how “private” private is. An explanation of the underlying biological mach...

And I still don't see what that has to do with anything. And furthermore it seems to me like every two paragraphs he insists that there is no such thi...

I think there is no point in speculating. Will get back to you after I'm dead if I can.

I could ask the same of you. Why is your standard so low? Anesthesia prevents both (you don't move during surgery). And in that case we have behaviora...

In behavior yes, but you know they have never seen anything red. I would say then that they don't understand the word. There is plenty of cause to. Th...

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I'd like to direct you to this article: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190313-what-happens-when-anaesthesia-fails It's an article about when ana...

I don't see how that follows. Ask a colorblind person what "red" is and they'll probably think you're rude because you're pointing out that they don't...

Disclaimer: I still don't have much time so my reply will probably seem rushed. I'd ask how we learn to use the words without having the experiences? ...

Disclaimer: I still don't have much time right now so sorry if my reply seems a bit rushed. I guessed right. But the question remains: How do you teac...