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I can intend to help someone, but if I pick something an act that instead harms them then I did something wrong. On the other hand if the act helps th...

So harmful to me? Too much of this is literally the definition of irresponsibility. Agreed. Where did I imply that we are not part of the calculation?...

Yup. The planet is indeed fucked up. And people are also happy on average. Bizarre but it is the case

No contradiction there

No you can’t. Because you not having kids is less harmful than you having kids. On the other hand, you not shopping is more harmful than you shopping....

These: Key words: Leads to. You define a bad action as something that has bad consequences. Which makes it redundant in the sequence.

Yup. Good point now that I think about it. Ignore my previous response. Since there will be future generations regardless of what you do it’s good to ...

Then the sequence is not incomplete. Good intention, bad outcome, wrong. You added “bad action” in the middle but if “bad action” is literally “bad ou...

So after more thinking I came to the conclusion that most of my arguments in the previous reply to shope and in the edit are flawed because they only ...

But I can reasonably guess that I won't. The odds of this happening are so slim that the harm I bring to myself by not going to the store and doing th...

Because you choose to only look at the child in your "system". We compromise the wellbeing of the people in the room, as well as the parents. There ar...

In all these cases NOT doing these things is more harmful. That's why we do them. And it would be very irresponsible to push the button for someone el...

Mods, can anyone delete this?

I just thought of a rebuttal to your argument that I think shope hinted at but didn't expand on fully. If the argument is that not having children is ...

It's more like "You shouldn't take the risk of harming others but do whatever with yourself". This is common sense. For example: If there is a button ...

False. They think life could be full of harm. Which is a fact. And it is wrong to bring in children because it risks them having a life full of harm, ...

I didn't respond because I changed my mind so thought there would be no point to.

You misunderstand the argument. Why would they?

So you are saying that there ARE cases where you would violate dignity to reduce harm. That is the hypothetical yes. Isaac’s argument is convincing en...

The metaphor implies that there is absolutely no pleasure that can be derived from interpersonal relationships, and that they are only done out of nec...

Why not? It is a harm (though a very slight one) inflicted for a purpose outside of the lifeguard. You are using the lifeguard as a means to an end. N...

how do you tell what a bad action is from a good one?

I was just quoting the first noble truth. I know it’s not meant to be taken literally. Highly doubtful. That’s not what I meant by “good influence”. I...

That doesn’t answer the question. How the heck is it that waking someone up is violating their dignity but breaking their arm isn’t? There is a person...

I am ignoring any non human suffering for now. I’d be very concerned if you were causing a great deal of undeserved human suffering... As I said, igno...

As far as I understand, it teaches that life is suffering not that people are on average bad for each other. On the contrary, Buddhism also emphasizes...

Using this myopic tendency: I think this is demonstrably false. If this were true then humans would be each better off living as hermits. And you woul...

It seems unreasonable to me that intentions are all that matter. For example: If A is addicted to their phone I can intend to help them by taking it a...

what about the rest of the comment?

Says the person harping about being an antinatalist without thinking that having children is wrong. There is a difference between thinking that not ha...

Sorry I have no clue what this word salad means XD It explains whether or not you’re misusing the word. You can’t just define whatever word however yo...

I don’t see the distinction. In the case of children, having them is sometimes fine because there are people who already exist (the ones in the room) ...

Again, this “dignity argument” seems extreme. It means you shouldn’t wake up the life guard who is sleeping on the job even if someone you can’t save ...

I'd say it's healthy to fear screwing over someone for life. Especially if you have a history of dealing with severely disabled people/family members....

I would be fine with saying that we should employ a different set of rules for aggregate ethical dilemmas than we do for individual ethical dilemmas. ...

I would say it's more like "They're wondering how you can not see the conclusion that they see because they assume you share the same premises" But it...

Well, saying something is wrong because it is inconsistent gets you in a lot less trouble than saying that something is wrong because it "feels wrong"...

Ok. Didn't expect this reaction. I was only trying to be nice when I said "I don't find this convincing", I wasn't trying to make it about convincing ...

You didn't distinguish what a "deserved", "non-deserved" and "undeserved" pleasure is. Maybe an example from each? If you're only considering the chil...

You're the one that started with the ad-hom, and general rudeness, and refuses to explain their position. Telling me to go back and read nonsense does...

It makes just as much sense as "You using X product might have inadvertently killed thousands of people". Which is what it was in response to. Your mi...

My post doesn't have a brain :wink: Done. Still doesn't make sense. Good to know you're incapable of answering simple questions about your argument th...

False. There is no such chance. That is the point. There is a chance to not cause unnecessary suffering to the child. But in doing so you harm those h...

If I remember correctly, a similar experiment found that the effect is pronounced in teenagers. They seem to always sleep one hour later each day. Can...

It doesn't convince me because it doesn't make sense. Agreed. Certain things are objectively optimal and sub-optimal for our well being. And without c...

I’m not convinced because it’s a fallacy. “Bringing someone into the world is wrong because life is full of strife” is an is-ought fallacy. It’s like ...

Sure. Which is what I tried to do but apparently incorrectly. It would help if instead of restating what I already understand that you state how it re...

Really? It seemed to me that you wanted to use the fact that in life you are constantly striving merely to survive, as an argument for AN. I’ve heard ...

I wasn’t referring to my personal life, but to the fact that surveys of happiness often (I think always) have the population being overall happy or at...

Seems unconvincing or at least over dramatic considering most people are happy. Despite the fact that people have to constantly do things to live, I d...